@mr_m Oh, yes I completely agree with that, I think I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying that the effect was caused by vinyl playback, but yes I agree the signal was transferred from tape to vinyl absolutely. I must say it's pretty impressive of vinyl imho. |
@mr_m I asked my buddy who mastered the digital recording off the original vinyl with a very refined vinyl analog playback/ADC recording setup and he said it was mastertape print-through since I was hearing the next line in the song before it actually played. Sort of like a faint 2 second preview of the next line of the song, which makes sense at least to me since the following line of the song imprinted on the layer of spooled tape beneath it. I don’t understand how that is a vinyl playback related issue. I wasn’t hearing an echo. I actually originally thought it was Sinatra wearing headphones hearing a previous take of the song played while singing along with it slightly delayed and the mic picked up his headphone output faintly. My buddy said normally this effect is so far down in db that it’s inaudible or corrected in the recording. The relevance to me was only to point out to everyone that I had played that track hundreds of times on both horn speakers and the DIs and never noticed it before. For the first time it was very noticeable to me on the Encores. The point I was making al beit poorly because I didn’t go into much detail was how resolute and transparent the Encores were at the retrieval of this low level hidden information on this familiar recording. My buddy has jbl k2 speakers and he couldn’t hear it. |
So the Lyngdorf TDAI-3400 sounds very good with my Encores. It's a very smooth, natural, and neutral sounding presentation. It's a little less forward than my Nords Class D NCORE amps + Benchmark DAC2 HGC. The Room Perfect definitely perfected the bass response, cleaned up the slight midrange congestion noticeably, and improved the depth of field slightly. It does sound lovely. It's a very musical combination. They really did a great job with creating a very short and simple signal path directly from digital bits to amplified analog sound. It's very resolute and detailed, but not analytical are fatiguing sounding at all. I couldn't be happier with the piece.
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@charles1dad Yes I listen to jazz a lot. I’m a big Ella Fitzgerald and Satchmo, et al fan. I did play some Wynton Marsalis when I first turned the Lyngdorf on initially and it sounded very good even without Room Perfect setup. I really haven’t played anything else in the Jazz 🎺 genre yet, but I will and report back.
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@olesno Thanks for your review on the Encores and Lyngdorf TDAI 3400 combination! I wondered if it was you on the Tektons Worldwide Owners Facebook group I was chatting with! Now I know who you are in both places so I can keep things straight in my head! Things will only improve as time goes by for your Encores as things loosen up for the speakers and as well for your Lyngdorf as it breaks in. Chris is supposed to have his Encores today and he too ordered the Lyngdorf TDAI-3400 over this weekend and he will likley have it hopefully by Friday. It's funny how we have 3 Encore owners each with the same Lyngdorf electronics!
I was looking at the Lyngdorf for months, but I had a bad experience with a dealer and was offered another deal through the owner of Core Power Technology which turned into attempted fraud after 6 weeks of waiting and PayPal Credit having to refund me because his refund bounced his checking account. So I shelved the idea for a month or so. I'm so glad I revisited the Lyngdorf and found Neal at Sound Science who took care of me and was exemplary. |
My Art Audio Diavolo SET 300b Tube Amplifier sounds phenomenally good through the Lyngdorf with the Room Perfect properly setup under a 2nd Speaker Setup while using the Preamp output on the Lyngdorf and my Luxman AS-55 amplifier switcher to switch from Class D to the tube amp. It really makes a very noticeable difference in the Bass and Midrange. I'm very happy with my system sound now and love both the Class D and the SET tube sound. I prefer the Diavolo on some music and the Class D on bigger pieces that can use the extra power. It's great having choices! |
@olesno I've had very good experiences running Analysis Plus interconnects, speaker cables, and power cables. My bias towards these cable center around their absolute neutrality, truthfulness, and electrically superior properties and not as a tone control. I don't like cables that have a flavor or act as a bandaid to an unbalanced system. The Analysis Plus cables are very well made, rugged, and use a novel hollow oval geometry to lower resistance and inductance over conventional cables. They are engineered by engineers, not amateur hobbyists selling snake oil.
I use a 10' biwire pair of big silver ovals 10awg to my encores. I separate runs of their black mesh 10awg to my luxman amp switcher and to both the Lyngdorf and the Diavolo. I use their new triple hollow geometry, double shielded, silver apex for interconnects to my Diavolo. I use their power oval2 Mkll power cables on all my gear.
If you want a great cable with excellent bass and detail retrieval that's well made, you be hard pressed to find a better cable company to deal with. If you're interested I can get you anything you want. I know the owner, Mark, pretty well. I used to resell his cables when I was in highend audio back in 2001-2010 back in California so he gets me whatever I want at a discount. |
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Thanks @david_ten for the link! |
@grannyring Thanks for the info. I read the review. Very high praise indeed. |
@teajay Thanks for letting us know about the review. Sorry I forgot to mention you yesterday. Didn't want to leave you out!
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@klh007 Thanks for the RMAF Tekton coverage and updates! I'm jealous. Wish I was there.
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@jakefalcons My Encores are finished in the color Spanish Tile with a high gloss finish. |
@d2girls The Encores weigh a beastly 175lbs each and are very well braced internally. |
@evolvist Why did you want to buy the Encores then? I realize you are upset with Tekton, but really? My Encores have no cavernous sounds eminating from the box and more importantly they simply sound phenomenal. |
@freesole I use a Lyngdorf TDAI 3400 and a 10wpc SET 300b amplifier with reasonably good results with the Encores so I'm sure you will be very happy with 48wpc driving them due to the Encores fairly high sensitivity. You can order them with grills, though I will warn you that you may be waiting a longer lead time to actually get the grills as others have suggested regarding other models they've ordered with grills.
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@iwasgointo Maybe you need the Ulfberhts? They feature dual 12" woofers vs the dual 11" woofers in the Encores, al beit it's a much taller, wider, and more expensive speaker. I prefer the more slender and slightly less tall asthetics of the Encores in my room and find the bass to be very sastisfying. I agree the major gain to be had with the Encores is the MTM Array handling from 300hz to 20khz which makes them very beautiful, coherant, transparent, and electro-static like in the midrange and highs which are also very smooth and not harsh or bright at all.
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@latebloomer I'm terribly sorry for not replying. I must have unfollowed my own thread by mistake. LOL - I currently only use the Lyngdorf and it's a very good sonic match with the Encores. It's not analytical sounding at all. Very neutral, slightly warm sounding like a very clean tube amp. No harshness or grain whatsoever. I sold my Art Audio Diavolo SET amp if that tells you anything. Mostly because I felt with room correction engaged 8wpc wasn't enough to handle 10db of compensation at 100hz due to a persistent (I tried moving the speakers to no avail) bass suck out in my room. However, I have recently purchased some 50wpc
6C33C
PSET Monoblocks from Lansing Audio yesterday and hope the added wattage can give me the holographic and palpable sound that SET amps are known for while allowing to still use the Room Perfect Room Correction to clean up the 40hz bass mode in my room which when not attenuated for creates a bit of congestion obscuring the midrange. |
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@charles1dad I switched back to tubes! I picked up some Allnic A6000 pse quad parallel 300bxls 60 wpc SET Tube Monoblocks from Audiogon! I absolutely love them with my Encores. Having so power really allows the Encores to perform their best!
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@charles1dad The Allnic monoblocks drive the Encores much better and that 50 extra watts of SET power allows me to play larger pieces of music with ease at higher volume levels all while maintaining its composure. Every nuance of the music is preserved at higher volumes. The Allnics delineate every instrument and voices with ease, they have incredible depth of field, and a haunting sound that startles me emotionally with greater dynamics both micro and macro. The bass is controlled and effortless now, whereas it was struggling on the Diavolo at higher volumes. The vocals are breathtakingly beautiful! The Lyngdorf is no slouch, but it doesn’t do what a SETs does in spades; make music sound real and emotionally engaging. I now do room correction directly in ROON DSP/EQ and don’t need the Lyngdorf for RoomPerfect anymore. The Lyngdorf was trying to add +10db of gain in a feeble attempt to quell a 100hz suck-out in my room. This put huge demands on the tube amplifier and even the Lyngdorf’s internal amplifier which would occasionally clip on certain bass heavy notes. There’s no way to eq a major suck-out in a room with EQ. Why the Lyngdorf tries to throw that much gain at the problem is beyond me IMHO and there’s no way to curtail it in the Lyngdorf. So the Lyngdorf goes up for sale next week. I put these Allnics into a class next to LAMM SETs. They do everything right, they are very well made, and they dig deep into the music to tickle your ears with excellent detail retrieval. I’ve been listening for 10 hours straight. I took a nap and woke up at 4am and started playing again this morning. I can’t get enough!
PS: I have an Ayon Audio Stealth DAC Tube/Pre coming today to replace the Lyngdorf. |
