contradictory communication


some components have been described as warm and transparent. this is not possible. warm means subtractiion in the treble frequency range. transparency implies a balanced frequency response.

it is inconsistent to say warm and transparent.

it is inconsistent to say warm and detailed, because there is some loss of detail in the treble region when a component is described as warm.

i believe that as soon as you describe a component as warm ,there is some loss and one should be careful about any other adjectives used with the word warm.
mrtennis
My system is "translucent", which under certain conditions is far more appealing, like a beautiful stained glass window! I find translucent glass much more interesting than transparent glass (that is, IF you are interested in the GLASS, per se, as opposed to the object one is looking at THROUGH the glass)...

Likewise, do not the 'colorations' of the components add to the enjoyment? So, why not suggest the following, that the ultimate system is one in which the translucent effects of the components evoke pleasure in the listener as one hears back to the original (or shall we say, the "colored" version of the original?

But, of course, in reality I brought up the term "translucent" to further obfuscate (tee hee hee, get it?) the issue and because I am loquacious. But, then again, aren't we all?
Mr. Schroeder I like the way you use "translucency" to describe your system. I've definitely colored my system in a way appealing to me. For me, like most things in art and life for that matter, the imperfections are what make things fun and interesting.
Getting a natural warmth with all the detail is possible when you have properly addressed, quiet incoming AC.
My system is getting close, but dealing with different recording mediums add to the dilemma.
In the end, we tune to our preferences.
Mr Ts, When I ( and many others) reads your description and general definition of warm = rolled of freq=less transperent, I tends to agree generally but on a second though would say not necessarily. Perfect contradictory in my own two systems. It is true for (at certain setting, i/c combo) my all solid state system that cost roughly 3 times my upstair system, which is all tube consisting of JOR which defies this general definition and presents warmth and transparancy at the same time in spades. My definition of warmth and transperent is correct representation of instrument timbers , having dullness, bass roundness and bloom, weighty lower mids and presence at higher mids when called for and still without losing first, second, third and so forth harmonics that contributes dynamics (frequency does not roll off until 8-10 K and then roll-off at ~12-14 db to 16 K) and that see thru quality makes this combination possible!!! Did I tell you that My JOR does that?