HELP Electrocompaniet stole Christmas


What a mess:
After finally deciding that spending money on the latest EMC-1 parts mod, I contacted Electrocompaniet's distributor back in October to arrange to bring my EMC-1 MkII to him directly in PA so as to avoid RT shipping risks and expense for this 50 pounder. All was set for a Christmas week mod, as I was to be in NJ visiting my relatives that last week.
I called on Christmas eve to arrange a drop-off time, and was told that Christmas Day noon would be fine, but that I had to arrange the deal through a dealer! Yikes! So I remembered Fathers & Sons and called them, arranging for the paperwork and profit to be credited through/to them. Fine. So I drove 2 hours through a nasty winter storm to arrive at Warshaw's house, where he said he'd NOT perform the mod if my EMC-1 didn't have a serial number on it, as there was a grey-market guy in New York who sold a few of these this year. I assured him that mine indeed had a serial number, was produced in spring '01, and bought used by me in summer '01. He said OK, and lugged the player into his house, saying he'd call me in a couple of days to pick it up. Great!..............
I returned to NJ and watched the storm intensify....
Two days later I called to arrange a pick-up hour, and Alan told me that he did NOT perform the mod because the player had been originally sold by a Danish dealer, and NOT through him, so he had made a decision to NOT support any players not originally sold thorough him. No warranty repars, parts, nor mods!..............
I was stunned, couldn't convince him to make an exception since he had never asked me to provide a serial number beforehand, and I went through a total of a half-day of driving through a storm to accomplish this mod.
He just told me to come pick it up at my convenience. I glumly arrived on Saturday and retrieved my untouched puppy, where Alan said that unfortunately I had to share the victimization of the gray-market. I asked if I should contact a Danish dealer to see if a board-swap could be done (of course thinking he didn't really know the answer), but he thought that Electrocompaniet wouldn't support my player either! I asked with some incredulity what was going to happen with all the players that people have when they move from one country to another (!), but he said that this policy was the only way they have of penalyzing the gray market.... I suggested that in THIS CASE he should have installed the mod because of his lack of due diligence in assessing the production/sales history of this particular CDP, ESPECIALLY given my enormous effort in delivering it to his doorstep on Christmas Day.... I left sadly but gracefully.
WHAT SHOULD I DO? I contacted the Danish dealer but he's not responded. Should I contact Electrocompaniet directly and try to arrange a board swap or purchase the parts mod "kit" and instakllation directions (I'm pretty familiar with boards and soldering)? Should Alan have acted differently? Isn't the world getting small enough so that internationally-sold products should have protected lives independent of sales point?
PLEASE HELP!
A Happy and safe New Year to all!
Ernie
subaruguru
Well, until now, I have stayed out of this thread...

Alan Warshaw lives about 5 minutes from my home, in Wyndmoor, PA. Like me, he is just outside the Philadelphia city limits. Alan took over Hales in its final, fleeting moments. Unfortunately, Hales is no longer in business, but that is completely unrelated to Alan. I have no doubt that things were too far gone at that point. He is the US distributor for Electrocompaniet, and I believe myriad other products.

I have had the occasion to be on the other end of things with him, where he was the customer. I was only in that relationship a short time. I don't remember him ever being satisfied the first time, and I don't recall the words "please" or "thank you" being an integral part of his vocabulary. But, I do hold out the hope that there is good in all man, and I hold out hope that Alan will show it in this situation.

Like many in the high end, he was an eccentric fellow. While everyone has their good side, he left people with the impression of him being an snobbish, elitist person. Alan is definitely upper crust. He may not have the most refined "listening skills". I mean that as a person, not as an audiophile. The stubborness he is holding to in this case is not unexpected. I was not particularly fond of him, but again, my dealings with him were over the short term.

I hold the Electrocompaniet marque in the highest esteem. The product exhibits exceptional quality, both in sound and in build. In brief, it doesn't get any better than Electrocompaniet.

Technically, I am not sure who is doing the upgrade of the player, but I would have a difficult time imagining it would be him. He is not a hands on person, but seems more like a "sales/marketing" type. He is not the type to hook up a tv in his home, it takes him 3 or 4 tries to buy the right splitter for a cable. I cannot see him modifying a CD player. It is a crime to underestimate people, however, so I apologize.

Ernie, who we have all come to know and hold in the highest regard, is in a difficult situation. However, being that he has had Father & Son go to Alan on his behalf, I believe that Alan should cede this situation. This is become not a matter of business, but one of ego. At this point, with the current discussion going on here, Alan is doing nothing to earn himself potential business. Rather, he is damaging the future prospects of Electrocompaniet in the US. The market for high end audio is difficult enough right now. Factor in the mess of a distributor who does not make Electrocompaniet ownership a pleasure, and the company just may one day find itself in the same situation which developed for Jadis in North America. A superlative audio company who all but falls of the face of the map for reasons unrelated to the product.

Ernie, may I suggest that both you and Father & Son contact Electrocompaniet in regards to your situation? If I were Electrocompaniet, I would make sure that not only that the matter is put right, but that we did WHATEVER is took to erase the bad taste in your mouth. Maybe it's just me, but I would feel the need to bend over backwards to make a public display that Electrocompaniet customers and potential customers have nothing to worry about in terms of customer support.

Being local, if there is anything I can do for you Ernie, please do not hesitate to let me know. Be it legwork/pickup/dropoff/courier or whatever, it's no problem. I may have a weak mind, but I do have a strong back. If I can do anything to save you the long drive, it would be a pleasure.

GOOD LUCK!
Subaruguru: I recommend keeping the CDP in question but looking elsewhere for the mod.
It is beginning to look like it will end up costng you more time and money than you are comfortable with.
I feel for you and I can only offer the following.

Heinz Preiss..he is a well known EC mod. tech. who does out of warranty mods only.
I have heard nothing but stallar comments about him and I think its worth a phone call at least.

Heinz Preiss
9308 34th Ct.E
Parrish,Fl.
914-776-9158
audius@access4less.net
Good luck to you Suburuguru.
It seems that Electrocompaniet’s “grey market” problem is bigger than I thought initially, when I first starting reading the thread. My humble opinion is that, somehow, the U.S. distributor has to help the customers who, without knowing they were “grey market” units, bought them. At the same time, the U.S. distributor has to protect its business. What about charging $500-$700 to “clear” the “grey market” units? I am not talking here about re-instating the original warranty, but at least to allow the owners of those units to service them for a fee if they broke down or upgrade them it they desire to. I think that this will be a fair solution to anybody involved. Pablo
Sos, thanks for taking the time to respond so eloquently. I can only speak for myself (but believe others would agree) that a company can make whatever policies they deem fit for their products. The issue is not the policy per se. Rather, the issue is the application of the policy without prior communication. Had Ernie been asked to relay the serial number over the phone and then been told the policy, this whole thread would have been very short indeed and Ernie would not have risked life and limb for 8 hours (two round trips) in a snowstorm. Alan should acknowledge some culpability and remedy the situation by doing the mod in this instance.

As a matter of policy, it is important to protect those who paid full price. Hence, my earlier suggestion to offer mods at a premium for those who got the original unit so cheaply because of the gray market. The particular premium stated seems a bit steep, but that's a different issue altogether. The crux is upfront communication, which did not adequately occur here. You can't expect the customer to know the rules. You need to inform the customer of the rules up front.

Also, might I suggest that a different policy be enacted for those who can show an original receipt and documentation of residency overseas at the time of purchase? Why penalize people who have simply moved?
Sheesh...What a mess! :-(

Ok...I am going to try and make this quick and to the point...

First...I have the UTMOST respect for Alan and consider him a friend. His intentions and practices have ALWAYS been ethical and to the highest standards that any dealer or customer could ever ask for. I will NOT be dropping the Electrocompaniet line any time soon. As long as Alan is the distributor, I will continue to carry Electrocompaniet. Electrocompaniet couldn't ask for a better person to represent their line. Finally, Alan is a human being just like everyone else and I believe that we all make bad decisions at times (not saying he did or didn't in this case by the way). So, those who have never made a bad decision or made a mistake, feel free to start chucking stones :-(

Trelja...HOW DARE YOU COME ON A PUBLIC FORUM LIKE THIS AND STATE SUCH TERRIBLE THINGS ABOUT SOMEONE (Alan)! Whether true or not, this is NOT the place for such things. I am SHOCKED that someone would do such a thing. You should be ashamed of yourself! I am curious, would you say such things to Alan's face?

Ernie...Sorry I have not contacted you yet, been trying to figure out what the heck would be the best solution for everyone. Just be patient and we will get this figured out. I will give you a call later today.

Finally...Either myself or Ernie will post a message in this forum with the details of the solution myself, Alan, and Ernie decides upon. Until then, please try and be civil with one another ;-) At that time, I (or Alan) will also post a concrete and definitive policy that will deal with "grey" market units (I will post it on my website also).

Finally...Because of the nature of the internet, it is easy to feel safe in front of your computer while spewing venom. PLEASE remember, there are actual human beings on the other end that are just like you. There is nothing wrong with stating your opinion, but do it in a manor as if the person or group you are speaking to is standing in fron of you, in the flesh.

Best Regards...Mike - Father & Son Audio