High End is Dead?


Browsing used audio sites such as Audiogon and the Marts, high end gear ads are dominated by several dealers. Non-dealer ads are usually people trying to push 15+ year old off-brand junk at 60-70% of MSRP (when they were new). They don't sell anything. You could slash Wilsons, Magicos, etc, 50% off retail and no one will buy them.

No one buys if it costs more than 1k. It's not that they're not interested -- the ads get plenty of views. It's that the asking prices are just way over the ability of buyers to pay. Fact is, if you see a high end piece for sale it's probably by a dealer, often times trying to push it at 15% off retail because its a trade in, but also often they are taking a good chunk off the price 30, 40 sometimes 50% off. They can be famous brands with a million positive reviews. No buyers.

Are we just poor, and that's all there is to it? 
madavid0
The loudness wars are a result of crappy portable playback gear, and the desire to commit to forms of isolation ---and hear the details in the music. To have those aspects pushed through.. via gear that can’t actually reproduce the fine details and can’t swing the dynamics (portable or small lifestyle crap gear), all for an ear or mind that cannot hear them and can’t be trained to as the listening materials aren’t even available anymore as the source of the inspiration.

It is always interesting to note that the blow-back on that is..that properly mastered audio source signals are called ’old school’, and have now been found to be desirable by the younger set (ie vinyl and retro gear purchases). 70’s rock and pop was far far more dynamic and alive than most of the pop and rock produced in the 2000’s and 2010’s. These aspects are fundamental to getting your mind and ass to swing in tune with the music, so the emotional hook can enter the story with intent and directional potentials.

Those of the middle part of the bell curve that demanded compression and loudness (age, capacity, intelligence and funds available to spend) to make unconscious purchase decisions, in that group is the budding audio oriented person. A good chunk of them are into messing round with high quality headphone set ups. Instead of sit down speaker based audio reproduction systems..

Those audio person potentials within the masses...they’ve (partially at the least) never really been privy to the source materials and thus never privy to the fundamental cognition of the ’why’ of high end audio.

A fundamental disconnect in the societal/cultural/temporal conveyor belt of new adherents to quality music reproduction. (add in the headphone bleed off)

Digital being a crap grab bag of convenience (in situ).... where quality of reproduction was killed off (the first 30 years of digital and it’s ubiquity), does indeed have a notable amount of the blame for this present scenario - heaped at it’s feet.

And then other fundamental problems/changes tied with forms of market dilution, and so on. Of course, all of this is only a component of the problem and answer set.

a complex scenario with many layers and directions, so it is no small wonder no one has a functional solution and so many voices that can't find a universal path. So complex that a functional answer/direction may be out there, but never get heard in the din and noise of those who don't understand the full complexity of the mess. Which counts for most of us.
I have just moved out of the bay area north 3 hrs or so.  First time home buyer and learned my lesson about not thinning the herd before leaving. Sold my Burgess 2a3  but wound up shipping 20 boxes or so of just hi fi.  6 factory boxes of speakers alone. 
And now checking ebay just to see what the market is bearing on value of Nak RX505 and there are decks going for upwards of $500 ,  $1000's even , if I recall correctly.  Although Im sure the seller who is asking $1k plus for a pristine vintage Nakamichi is going to wait quite awhile .   One deck went for just over 400 and it had an issue  or 2 and cosmetics of 6 .   It depends very much on what is being sold  of course and certainly that we are a sub culture of music afficionados while the majority of the population are listening via disposable  Best Buy systems.    
@acman3

That's great that you helped your SIL to get his system going. Introducing the next generation to the capabilities of HEA is the way to keep it alive.

My youngest son loves music and has a pretty nice setup in his bedroom with a Parasound HINT and Rega RP6 with a Clearaudio Maestro V2 cart.  As a teenager, he has around 75 of his own albums and access to my collection, as well.  His favorites to listen to are The Beatles, Billy Joel, David Bowie, Dire Straits and other classics.  Though his mom often tells him to turn down his music when it gets a little loud, it just makes me smile.
If I was a builder or inventor in HEA I would be concerned with two cultural preferences: 1) will streaming largely dominate the upcoming listening world and 2) which musical styles and file formats are likely to be the most popular.
If, consequently, I concluded that we will all be streamers soon and listening to, largely, Beck-type blendings of pop and hip-hop, then I would concentrate on RME-type computer DACs with headphone/IEM excellence, Lyngdorf-type all-in-ones that handle DAC, preamp, and amp functions, and monitor speakers that fit into small spaces and are designed to provide a step up from headphones.
OH, WAIT A MINUTE...
...that's exactly what's already happening.
So maybe HEA as we used to know it is, already, dead.
Pass Labs, with its XA25 and Magico, with its A3 are already "slumming" in order to broaden their customer base.
The continued success of separate components, large speakers, and specialty interconnects would be tied (in my HEA mind) to the continued success of distribution mediums such as LPs, CDs, and HD downloads.
Instead, the just-released CD "Volunteer" by the Old Crow Medicine Show (excellent, btw) shows a distressing trend in modern CD production. Yes, it's a CD at 16/44.1 but the signal is so heavily compressed that there is no real dynamic range -- all is simply pushed as close to 0 DB as possible. Very loud with a dulling sameness that shouts "You get the MP3 sound ideal no matter what the distribution medium."
Anyone who says high end is changing to personal audio is just saying that the high end is dead. Cell phones sound like CRAP. Modern pop music is TRASH. I have a pretty good portable player and it merely sucks LESS.

Meanwhile I have a Technics network integrated up for 50% retail -- not a SINGLE response, even to tire-kick or to lowball. Is $2k a bridge too far? SAD!