How close to the real thing?


Recently a friend of mine heard a Chopin concert in a Baptist church. I had told him that I had gone out to RMAF this year and heard some of the latest gear. His comment was that he thinks the best audio systems are only about 5% close to the real thing, especially the sound of a piano, though he admitted he hasn't heard the best of the latest equipment.

That got me thinking as I have been going to the BSO a lot this fall and comparing the sound of my system to live orchestral music. It's hard to put a hard percentage on this kind of thing, but I think the best systems capture a lot more than just 5% of the sound of live music.

What do you think? Are we making progress and how close are we?
peterayer
"Yeah, and if you still have the piano in the same room as your stereo system I'll slide the cover off the keyboard, play a single note and say:

"Gosh was I being generous when I said 5%!" "

Very profound statement indeed!
Hotmailjbc, your photo versus reality is right on. I was just on the Serengeti plains with thousands of animals all around. I took many high quality photos but none could capture what I saw.

Today I tried a new H-Cat dac and got clarity and imaging that thrilled me, but sorry not real like being there and Frank is dead.
We have a Steinway. You guys are exaggerating. I'm guessing none of you have ever recorded your own piano and replayed the recording on your system? If you're using a recording made in a huge venue it won't sound as dramatic. Also, have you used a sound meter at a given distance to see if you're playing the recording at a similar volume? If you haven't, you'd be shocked at how loud a live piano is. If you're using speakers like Thiels, or something else with limited cone area, forget it.
Somehow my original question: Are we making progress and how close are we? has prompted people to write things like "my stereo will never sound like my piano." Though I don't know how we could ever presume to know something with such certainty about the future, I do tend to agree with the sentiment. Even under the best of circumstances, I've never been really fooled, but I'm still wondering if the industry is making progress.

I had a gentleman over the other evening to hear my system. He explained that he has gone full circle in this hobby and after 50 or so years of owning many of the latest designs, he has ended up with a system that is very similar to what he had thirty years ago - very high efficiency cone/horn speakers (Altec), a vintage tube integrated amp (modified Heathkit) and a Japanese DD table (Technics). Sensing his excitement while describing his system, I think he likes his current system as much as anything he has owned. He emphasized the sense of dynamics as being very lifelike. So I ask, have we really advanced the state of the art in say the last 30 years?

Regarding how close we are to the real thing, let's forget percentages. That was a futile suggestion. How about something like this:

1. The best system I've heard sounds absolutely nothing like a real piano.
2. The best system I've heard allows me to recognize that it is in fact a recording of a piano.
3. The best system I've heard sometimes sounds a bit like a real piano.
4. The best system I've heard sounds pretty much like a real piano.

Judging from the responses to this thread, I think there is little consensus. Perhaps we should leave it at that and go and enjoy our systems.