Jazz for aficionados

****You are confusing recently recorded with Modern. No one is saying every single note, or tune is boring, just the weight of the material.****

i dont think so.  As you have pointed out, words matter.  Your comment was "Modern jazz is boring".  Why, then, not say: "some (or most) modern jazz is boring".  There is that absolutism mucking up the works again.

****I have no problem with Zappa or his music. The Arts should be a safe haven for eccentrics, weirdos, and all such marchers to a different tune. I just don't understand why they call it Jazz.****

****BTW, how would you classify Mingus' 'hog calling blues'. My all time favorite. ****

Agree with the first commnet.  I will tell you that I have heard/read Zappa reffered to as a rock musician far more than as a jazz musician, so who is it that calls it jazz?

Mingus:  I would call it great music.  I don't much care to classify it.  What does that prove really, if one thinks about it? I think all this goes back to what is really important and what I tried explain in my previous post: it's really knowing how to identify really good music making that matters most.  We all tend to have favorite styles and genres.  Time and time again I have seen music posted on this thread that fits into a poster's favorite style and it seems that simply by that virtue alone that posted music gets automatically bumped up to "good" in that poster's mind when it is simply mediocre or worse.  It really is true:  "there are only two kinds of music, good and bad".  

What the sage person who made that famous comment implied and, for the sake of this thread 😏, should have added in order to make it absolutely clear is: "there are......, regardless of genre".

***** Agree with the first commnet.  I will tell you that I have heard/read Zappa reffered to as a rock musician far more than as a jazz musician, so who is it that calls it jazz?*****


"Zappa is the first, and so far only, artist to be inducted into both the Jazz and Rock and Roll Halls of Fame." -- google

Apparently someone calls it Jazz.   Esp since he went into the Jazz hall first.  Think of the players who are NOT in the Jazz Hall of Fame.

But this goes back to what I said, and to which you responded "huh?"  They say his music was hard to categorize, so into the Jazz bin it goes.  The catch-all dumping bin.  My point is, it Just shows a lack of respect for, and understanding of,  the music.

Cheers

***** Mingus:  I would call it great music.  I don't much care to classify it.  What does that prove really, if one thinks about it?*****

Not trying to prove anything, but since we were talking about 'modern' Jazz, just wondered if a tune like 'Hog Calling' was an example of Modern Jazz.

***** I think all this goes back to what is really important and what I tried explain in my previous post: it's really knowing how to identify really good music making that matters most. *****

This is not what matters most.  Identifying and sharing music that a person likes, or even dislikes, is what matters most.


Good vs Bad music:

Ravel said "there is no music there' referring to his composition 'Bolero'.   I'll admit it did cause riots in Paris.  People took their music a little more serious back then. :)
Tchaikovsky didn't think much of '1812'.   I think he said he was sorry he wrote it.

So, sometimes, declaring music bad, for whatever reason,  could be just one person's opinion.  Even if that person composed it!!  The great unwashed may beg to disagree.

The Bey Sisters being prime examples, on this thread,  of how greatness can be trashed, in  the name of technical correctness. :)

Cheers