Jazz for aficionados


Jazz for aficionados

I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.

Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.

The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".

"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.

While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.

Enjoy the music.
orpheus10
Hello again, Frogman...

I’m afraid I don’t have anything too profound for you w/r to the Pat Metheny Quartet, Wes Montgomery, Jim Hall or Kenny Burrell links.

I think what I have to admit is I’m not that big a fan of the traditional jazz guitar. Not sure I’d voluntarily spend time listening to any of the three album links you posted. I did/do prefer the Wes Montgomery and Kenny Burrell albums to the other performances. In fact, I had Burrell’s Blue saved in Spotify so, since the SQ is better streaming that, I put it on and have it playing now. As I finish typing this, the Wes Montogomery (track called, Four on Six) is playing. That really is a fine album. Might be something that grows on me. I’ll see if I’m drawn back to it.

Why do I like these over the others? Probably a combination of factors and nothing that signifies an absolute preference for Burrell or Mongomery regardless of context or material.

I don’t wish to offend but I don’t care for the "typical" jazz guitar sound...as shallow a reason as that may be! It’s kind of a soporific to me. Jazz guitarists seem to go for this sort of rounded off, muted, mellow sound. Like nylon strings except I’m pretty sure they aren’t all using nylon. No bite. I feel like the guitar is on novocaine...or I am. In the case of the Jim Hall performance...a general anaesthetic or a medically induced coma. Maybe that’s the tradition. Dunno. I do like the sweetness of a hollow body but got to moderate that with a little "attitude". Burrell and Montgomery seemed to have a little more edge in their tone (though not in your face rock guitar by any means).

I listened to 15 minutes of the Baltica concert (2 songs). Compare Pat’s sound to Brecker’s. The sax was so much more expressive. Maybe that’s what you meant when you said Joey DeFrancesco’s sound was more dynamic than Pat Martino’s (I think that was the gist of your comment). Not much fire in that kind of guitar sound - in my O-pinion. Burrell and Montgomery have that similar sound but with a little bit more edge to their tone...well, sometimes.

I happen to really enjoy the blues so the Burrell Blue album was already at an advantage over the others. Again if it were Wes or Pat Metheny playing the blues, might like them as much or more. BUT this is leading somewhere in that, I’m often thinking in listening to jazz guitar (as in quite a few of these recent links) "TOO MANY NOTES!". And why do all the tempos (tempi?) have to be "molto allegro"?...from scores that must be black with 16ths and 32nds!! I’m exaggerating, of course. The Burrell Blue and Wes Montgomery were a welcome change of pace and the compositions and songs were not all busy busy.

By the way, who is the pianist on the Wes Montgomery? Great tasteful soloing; (e.g., on Mr. Walker)?

I prefer a solid connection to melody. The connection of the Baltica playing with a melodic source seemed kind of tenuous to me (in the first 2 compositions, anyway). Same applies to that Martino/DeFrancesco Great Stream performance. I just don’t enjoy things that sound like abstract noodling. In this regard, the Wes Montgomery works for me being song-based, grounded, concise playing. Which is not to say I don’t enjoy more abstract song structure. In another post, some other time, I can give you some examples that I enjoy. Will also try to provide links to jazz(ish) guitar playing that I do like.

Best I can do. Just not that big a fan of the traditional jazz guitar, I guess.

Ciao.



***** Best I can do. Just not that big a fan of the traditional jazz guitar, I guess. *****

Montgomery and Burrell are examples of 'The Traditional Jazz Guitar'.

You mentioned being put in a coma by certain music.  That's not the first time certain music on this thread has been described that way.  In fact quite a bit of it has been posted recently.

Welcome to Jazz-Jazz.   As the good book tells us, No Blues, No Jazz.  Know Blues, Know Jazz.

Check out "Smokin' At The Half Note" by Montgomery, with Wynton Kelly(piano), Paul Chambers(bass), and Jimmy Cobb(drums).

Cheers


Hello again, Rok -

I think what I have to admit is I’m not that big a fan of the traditional jazz guitar. Not sure I’d voluntarily spend time listening to any of the three album links you posted. I did/do prefer the Wes Montgomery and Kenny Burrell albums to the other performances.

I do like the sweetness of a hollow body but got to moderate that with a little "attitude". Burrell and Montgomery seemed to have a little more edge in their tone (though not in your face rock guitar by any means).

Thanks for taking time to comment. I realize Burrell and Montgomery are "traditional jazz guitarists". I’ll also acknowledge my preference for them wasn’t due to a discriminating ear that let me hear unique and superior differences in their individual styles (tho’ there’s something about WM’s playing that has caught my ear - but I don’t know how to verbalize it). I thought their tone had a little more edge than Martino’s or Metheny’s in the respective clips of them that Frogman had posted. Not quite so "muted"! Another reason I preferred them being that both their albums were song-based jazz vs the longer, improvisation-heavy live performances from both PMs. I do enjoy live improv...but not so much where there’s a disconnect to the original melody (if there ever was one). I still recall that excellent Wynton Marsalis big band concert you posted. Enjoyed that a lot (of course, no jazz guitar featured in that one :-).

In all 4 cases that Frogman posted, the quality of the playing is absolutely excellent. Martino and Metheny like Paganini on guitar. It’s strictly a matter of personal preference (i.e., my taste at it’s current level of development!).

Thanks for the Wes Montgomery recommendation.

I’d be very curious what recent music suggestions you personally found sleep-inducing.

Here’s something my bro-in-law sent after I shared that Pat Martino/Joey DeFrancesco Great Stream performance. It really smokes. Still not crazy about the guitar tone but Frank Vignola’s playing is amazing. Still, what is up with the tempo? Is breakneck speed de rigueur in jazz? I know not all compositions and performances are at this tempo but since so many are it almost seems "cliche" to me or is this just another jazz convention?? Anyway, check it out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R51WVtvUxI&app=desktop&ab_channel=LegacyBluesNWA


BTW - Smokin’ At The Half-Note is really good! (guess I’m not the first to ever say that...hahaha). Enjoying it. Love how Wes changes things up on his solos. Not this endless cascade of rushing notes. He lets things breathe. Breaks it up with chords. No Blues, at least, working for me. The rest of the band is definitely killer too. Wynton Kelly another new name for me. Thanks, Rok.






Ghosthouse, thanks for your comments.   No offense taken.  How could I possibly be offended that you didn't particularly like three of the records on most jazz guitar fans' "top ten" lists.  Yikes!  I am not really surprised that you didn't particularly like those records given what you have posted as your preferred guitar styles.  As I, and O-10, have said previously "we likes what we likes"; no excuses necessary.  What I would say is that I predict that as you listen to more and more jazz your opinion about those will change.  A couple of further thoughts:

While tone is certainly an important element of any jazz player's personal musical identity, for whatever it may be worth, it is dogma among players that it is a distant second to what the player is saying via phrasing and choice of notes; the nuances in his rhythmic feel and his harmonic vocabulary.  From that standpoint, I am surprised that your comments focused almost entirely on tone.  As far as the bigger picture goes, and maybe this is a "semantics" issue, there really is nothing "abstract" about any of that music;. ALL of it, including the improvisations, are within the harmonic frameworks of the "tune"with practically no straying from it (abstract).

Nice clip of Frank Vignola.  He's a great player who was "looked at"  a while back and who is very active in the traditional swing scene.  As far as the "breakneck tempos" go: that's bebop for ya.  

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zwXNB9kkTSg