Jazz for aficionados

"This is a very narrow, prejudiced, selfrighteous view that borders nearly on hate speech...." .

Hate speech? Are you KIDDING me?!

clearthink - Get a grip.

I have no problem at all with you taking issue with Schubert’s O-pinion about the virtue of certain musical forms. You raise some valid points. On the other hand saying it "borders nearly on hate speech" is over the top. Unless, of course, you got appointed the A’gon PC policeman, which event I missed. So sorry.

PC is the enemy of free speech and I loathe it (PC, that is).

(Must have been writing this just as Acman was writing his own response.)

Here's some "hate speech."  I hate musical elitists.  Although that makes me a bit of a hypocrite, because a lot of new "music" is no-talent awful.  :)

Sfoth, would you mind to further elaborate? What would be a musical elitist, in your opinion?
 Do you consider all music to be of 'equal worth'?
Do you believe that perhaps music can not be called as 'good' or 'bad' ?
I do not argue that anybody can prefer what ever he likes, but liking or relativization that follows it can not be set as principle of 'worth'.
Would you agree?

Ghosthouse, and Acman; we've been down this road many times before, I suggest you ignore it.

Did you click on the link for the female vocalist?

@alexatpos .  This could be quite the rabbit hole.  Mostly a joke, if a poor one, but, for me, most simply, it's the snobbery and, perhaps in clearthink's words, prejudice and self-righteousness.  "Worth" has little to do with my opinion.  "I'm a better, more complete, person, because I listen to X.  You are a mindless, inattentive, simpleton and follower, because you waste your time spacing out to Y and won't or can't appreciate X."  Or, perhaps, "You just need Bose cubes, because you listen to Y.  Anything better is wasted on your dumb ass."

Anyway, there absolutely are combined elements of relativism and subjectivity in viewing the "worth" of music or art.  To go further, one might spend some time examining the purpose of music, if there is one.  Is it to move the soul, to evoke an emotional response, to get closer to God, to provide an escape or distraction, to feed some glitch in the lizard brain, to fulfill pre-destined expression of a mathematic imperative, to enhance communication, etc.?  Is that purpose static across time, cultures, and/or multiple areas of human development (e.g., politics, technology, mathematics, etc.)?

So, sure, there's bad music and good music.  Thought that might be clear in the "hypocrite" comment.  I'd like the low-res vocal auto-tuner to be retired, for example, but I don't think folks who like it are beneath me.



As to the OP.  John Coltrane, A Love Supreme.