Lamm ML 2.1 SET vs ASR Emitter II, DartZel

In Europe we know the ASR's for long time the bigger emitter costs here around 8000 euros. The BIG question is what happened and suddenly we had all this rave. Even in Germany no one said that this is the best killer amp there is. Of course ASR makes excellent products but Dartzeel and Lamm killers I think not.
Have in mind that ASR need days of current to full their batteries and the 800.000~ mF capacitors the had. After a week of "charging" you can hear them at their best.

For years German magazines put them under Mark Levinson 383, Gryphon big integrated, Symphonic lines integrated (hmm), Accuphase 530 and others....(random ranking).

I respect HP's view, but something does not fit, unless all those years we had gold (in Europe) and finally we discover it through the US import.

With all these I don't want to underestimate ASR Emitter's powers and capabilities...I like it very very much....but maybe we overreact ??
IMHO.

i had two darTZeel amps and the new dart pre in my room for a week. if either the Lamm ML2.1 (with any pre) or the ASR Emitter II are better then i take my hat off to them.....and rejoice that that kind of performance is out there.

the dart combo (including dirt cheap proprietary cables and a world class phono stage) was mind-boggingly good.....dramatically beyond my previous reference.

if you are interested in my specific comments click on my system page and the last few posts get into it.

if anyone has a chance to hear the dart amps and pre in a familiar system they should do it.

YMMV.

Wow SirSpeedy! That was the best rant I've seen in a while. Now..tell us how you really feel! And fyi, 'i did get it'.

Henry - Latest version of the CDSD using optical with the latest firmware updates running the DCC2 direct balanced into the ASR with Purist Dominus cabling.

Elberoth and Kops. European Enthusiasm? Seems like folks over there have lost their minds over the ASR, even forming a club to celebrate their enthusiasm : http://groups.msn.com/ASREmitterUniversum/englishsuperemmi.msnw

Check out the links on the left!

Russellrencom,from time to time I like to rant.Like TAS it is just some entertainment.I don't really take myself all that seriously.Seriously!

Jtinn--Since you have come under criticism,and scrutiny,of your own,in the past,I'll be as polite as I can.Also,I kind of like you,from reading past posts.

I don't own a Radia!The Dartzeel could not have been a prototype,as the show attendee offered me a chance to become a dealer,and all I did was show up in a room to hear a nice little amp,upon purchase of something like 5 units.This would have been improper business practice,as to begin marketing a product in prototype form sort of smacks from "not so hot" business practice!You don't have to believe any of this,but that is EXACTLY the way it went down!Though I'm sure the guy IS a nice guy,he was probably trying a bit too hard to get the product off the ground.I totally understand,yet still can't(and won't) get past something like 18 grand for a single chasis 100 watter,hence the Radia comparison(which goes for a 9500 figure).It(the Radia) has gotten great press,and seems to be a stunning design,though STILL not cheap.

I NEVER state,or imply anything in my own set-up is best,as to me,those who do that lose some credibility.Everyone likes their own stuff.It's human nature to rationalize one's own buying decisions,which is just fine with me.I do it too.

The best amp,IMO,that I've ever heard,and I've heard it alot,is the Lamm 1.2(I hope I got the model # correct.The monoblock 22 wpc model).I own a modded ROWLAND,which I love,yet I'm sure it is not the best,and who cares anyway.I have the sound I've been aspiring to get,after being at this perplexing hobby for a bit of time.

As to HP,I have some knowledge of some goings on at Sea Cliff(I DO have SOME friends,still),and all in all I owe alot to HP.To me HP seems played out.Not that I blame him.Also TAS is a shell of what it once was,and that is probably the lions share of my diatribe.Sorry!!

Sorry about the rant,yet I kinda liked it!