Modified equipment...


I want feedback on buying/selling modified equipment. Do think mods devalue gear or add value in some cases? Don't you think you're better off leaving a piece of gear stock as it came from the factory and just upgrading to a better component altogether??
puroagave
I don't think you can make one general rule.

I think that a lot of people shy from modified gear because of uncertainty about the gear. Big Companies do not spend all that advertising $$$ creating brand recognition for nothing. The sad part of this is that most of the time advertisisng is a greater cost than parts for the piece. I do not know of any studies but I believe that a modification will cause most folks to shy away and therefore limit ( not necesarily fatal) your secondary market. Just a hunch.

That being said I would not shy away from any modifieid gear if I know who did the work and can talk to them. I like to tweak myself and I think the best values are in tweaked equipment if you know what you are looking for. Just improving the caps to your crossovers to your tweeters, for example, will do wonders. You can't believe the junk that is used in very expensive stuff (7-10k range). Far more important than interconnects or wire from my listening.. at a fraction of the cost. Same is true with amps too.

I really do not agee w/ rock virgo re designers. Companies are under big pressure to cut costs and they do just that. They spend huge amounts on ads convincing us otherwise. The designers are under the bean counter's thumb. I do agree with him that a lot folks will shy away from what they do not really understand and not buy modified unless they know you.

I do not have trouble selling an occasional modified piece locally because people know me. I do not think I would want to have to sell lots of modified stuff though.

If you want to keep a piece and know the modifier - buy it. I have heard old tweaked Dynaco ST70s (that's right- the 40 year old junk coming through Audigon for 250-$400) that will compare with most anything new at 10-20 times the price. You have to put a few hundred into it of course.

Nice thing is you get something unique too!

Just an opinion.
Get the mod only if you want it. I have some gear modified by Stan Warren who is very popular on this site. If I ever sell this stuff it will probably only sell well to a person looking for stuff modded by Stan.


Manufacturers use components they can get in large enough quantities to meet estimated demand, and to meet the price point they want to set. This means it is not necessarily the best parts in sound quality. The time it takes to put the unit together also matters in the design, so a better design may be passed over to save labor cost. The modifier only needs to find parts for your unit.

The only Stan modded unit I have that is probably worth more than a stock unit is my Pioneer DVD player I use in my den/home office system. DVD player makers come out with new models every 6 months, so mine while is only over a year old, is now 2 models obsolete to Joe Consumer. It sells stock on eBay used for only $80. I should be able to do a lot better selling on Audiogon as a CD player which is what the mod if for.
You will never get your money out of mods to equipment on resale--NEVER. Unless you absolutely LOVE the piece of equipment, and are committed to keeping it long-term, paying for mods is a BAD BAD BAD idea. And if you try to do your own mods, then congratulations--you've just married that piece of kit.

I won't touch a modded piece of gear w/a ten-foot pole, UNLESS the mod is done by the manufacturer/designer himself. HelloMusic is dead-nuts correct.
I recently sold a Dan Wright modded 333es. I had 20 offers in one night. I don't believe that blanket statements really can apply here. I was able to get good value on the price paid for the mods. On the topic of mods I have found them the most cost effective way to improve the performance of certain gear. I would not mod an uktra expensive piece but to get extra perfomance out of something like a rega tonearm, Pioneer DVD player or the Sony sacd players that are being modded is really were the big benefits are. The resale value of the mods will differ greatly case by case. Exchanging parts for ones of higher quality is very simple and will do no harm to the long term operation and will have incredible results for the dollar. I would happily buy any modded equipment as long as I know specifically what was done and by whom.