Phase inverting problem


Hello,

I have a Conrad Johnson PV-12A pre-amp. It is phase correct for the phono stage, phase inverting for the line stage.

My power amplifier is a conrad johnson MF2100. It is phase correct.

So my first idea was to connect the speakers to the power amplifier the wrong way (black to red, red to black) and then connect the cartridge the wrong way around as well (R: + and - reversed, L: + and - reversed). Then the phase should be correct for everything.

But there lies the problem. When I switch the connections on the cartridge, I get a really loud hum, makes the music barely hearable. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that R- is connected to the cartridge body, it is some kind of earth? Anyway, switching the connections on the cartridge is not an option. So, what to do?

My only idea so far is, seeing that I only have one line input (cd), is cutting open the RCA cable and switching + and - of the line, and connecting the speakers to the power amp the correct way. So, I'll do just that. But maybe there's a better solution that I'm missing. Any ideas?
swaf
Having been a recording engineer for many years we very carefully checked all wiring of microphones and consoles to be phase correct. But we are really talking here about keeping relative phase consistant. The absolute phase of the end product can be reversed and will in all likelyhood be undetectable. Remember to mikes wired for correct phase when placed near each other will produce out of phase information due to acoustical leakage. In mastering we used osillascopes to check for any severe out of phase information particularly in the bass for lp tracking issues. Relative phase and absolute phase are two different things
All of this discussion doesn't negate the reality that sometimes inverting the signal does sound better. As I said not very often, I grant.

I also see no reason to assume that absolute phase is 50/50. It is a cliché.
I took an absolute phase test on the internet, using earbuds.
I scored 50:50 which is pure chance.
If I can find it again, anyone care to take it?

On my home system, I can't tell except on a very few mainly solo instrumental albums. The rest? Up for grabs.
Some equipment uses a modification of the original balanced standard, in which pin 2 is non-inverting. Sometime in the 70s or 80s, European equipment went to pin 3 non-inverting. This practice has shown up in some Japanese equipment as well. This stuff is all over the industry! Unless someone has taken the time to make special cables that convert from the pin 2 convention to the pin 3 convention, the result is there is simply no way to know what is up.
Atmasphere raises a very important point here, that is the difference between the "American" (pin 2 hot) and "European" (pin 3 hot) XLR pinouts. The "American" pinout is the EIA/AES specified professional standard, but this is of course not at all consistent across different types of gear, i.e. microphones are virtually always wired with pin 2 hot.

I didn't mean to imply that recording and mastering engineers in general give any special attention to absolute phase, but as others has pointed out, relative phase is absolutely critical. So in practice, when outboard gear in the studio (i.e. a compressor, mic preamp, effects unit, etc.) is wired to the patchbay or console, any potential polarity reversals *should* be corrected. Otherwise, this can cause some really weird issues when the output is brought back into the console for mixdown, or routed to headphones on tracking.

So a thorough, necessary attention to relative phase is highly necessary, and absolute phase much of the time just comes along with the ride. This is especially true given the ubiquity of Pro Tools . . . when one purchases a CD that's digitally recorded, mixed, and mastered, it's a pretty good bet that a positive pulse on the vast majority of input channels' (microphones') ADC corresponds to a positive pulse on the output of your CD player.
Unfortunately, some CD players invert polarity and some don't. Some other electronic components invert polarity and some don't. Some speakers have improperly wired driver(s). And cabling is sometimes connected incorrectly, L to R.

Thus, even if a given CD has "correct polarity" the resulting sound can be either correct or reverse polarity. It all depends. Just one more reason why, for a given disc, there's a 50% chance the sound out of the speakers will have polarity reversed.

The best laid plans of mice and men.....

Cheers