Reason for buying old/classic turntables

Wow, somebody didn't get any Xmas presents this year I guess.

Old tables are cool, they sound different for whatever reason not better or worse, just different. If you sell new tables you don't want people buying old ones, but the sound is simply a matter of taste. I don't have an old table right now, but it's only because of space, not due to any type of belief in their inherent inferiority.

I have a good buddy with a Garrard 301 with an old Quad preamp into a McIntosh 225 (sorry it's the new version) and 30+ year old Klipschorns. That is one of the most musical experiences we get when we all get together. Very nice synergy with all of the gear. If you put on a rock album, say The Who Live at Leeds, or Led Zeppelin II, you need to strap in, because man there is some IMPACT there. Not a good system, a great one. Better than a Clearaudio Statement with associated VTL/Conrad Johnson/Soundlab/Wilson Audio, etc.....

I don't really know even though I have had the chance to hear some of those wonderful items, all I know, is that it sounds REALLY GOOD.

I love the old stuff, sounds smooth. Newer is not always better. CD's and digital don't sound as good as analog no matter how much audio dealers tried to convince us of that when they wanted everyone to buy new gear. Same may be said with old turntables, newer is not always better. Just because a material or process is new, does not make it better. I like the approach of some manufaturers such as Teres and MerrilScalia (sp?) not reinventing, but using what's there and microscopically improving.

It's all subjective.

Norm:
Albeit for me, witty, useless, or erroneous info doesn't cut it for most of us. If one can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen! There is so much misinformation flying around, someone has to get a handle on it, especially for the newcomers. Who by the way may not, or can not, spend the money most of us have on the majority of expensive audio crap! Happy New Year!

Calipers are no match for computers and CNC equipment. That's wishful thinking.

Calipers are used for measuring things during and after machining (and still used today). CNC machines do the machining. Why are you comparing the two? They couldn't possibly be used for more different things.

And for the record, CNC only refers to how the machines are controlled. CNC in itself implies no particular precision, tolerance, etc. I don't know, but it sounds like you're just using words you've heard.

Lithojoe,

I never said anything about enjoying erroneous or useless information, in fact I can't stand it. I can take heat and a good argument. However, when it comes to insulting one another, I have no place in my life for that type of dialogue. I prefer discussing the topic and enjoying the memebers view point, none of which should include an insult. Isn't that the point, to gather eachothers view, and to enrich our hobby by such disscussion? Least that is what I thought.
Kind regards,
Norman

I have to agree. CNC is only as good as the person that programs it. Calipers, dial gauges, etc are still used to measure the final product. Back to a previous post. I have several old, over a hundred years, clocks that keep perfect time. All the brass gears, bushings, etc in them were cut by hand, no CNC machines back in the day. And, on another note, Pre-war Martin Guitars, Loyd Loar mandolins, all made by hand. And comanding big prices. Why? Not just because they are getting harder to find, but because the way they were made and the way the sound. No CNC machine can duplicate that. I own a '98 Taylor, very nice guitar, but it can't/doesn't compare to a pre-war Martin.

Oh, in case anyone is interested, there is/was a '23 Loar on Craigslist for $210,000.00. Trust me, if I had it, I'd buy it.