Recommendations for good Class A SS Amp 100-200W


I had been very impress by my friends set up where he bi-amps his celestion SL6000 speaker with a pair of Krells - KSA100 & KSA250. Both are class A and I haven't heard bass slam like his set up since.

I now have gotten hold of a pair of Celestion SL6000 but I haven't been able to reproduce the bass slam and solidity I remember in my friends set up. I'm driving mine with Ampzilla 2000 MK2 and Mccormick DNA 500. Both have 2-3x the power ratings of the Krell.

I'm suspecting it may be due to the Krell's Class A bias. So looking to find a pair of amps that may better suit the Celestion 6000's. I have a pair of VTL 450MB which I intend to switch in soon, but haven't gotten around to it yet. That may do the trick for me as well, but need to find out.

I know I can find Krell's like my what my friend has easy enough, but I know Plinius and others are making SS class A maps still. So wondering if anyone has experience with the more modern Class A SS amps and if anyone can comment on how these compare with the old Krells.

Gerald
geraldedison
Just a suggestion- get some very clean recordings of bass guitar, pipe organ,
percussion ensembles, etc. how close your chair is from the back wall makes a huge difference in the amount of perceived bass- my listening position is far from any rear surfaces, and so i have to "live" with 90% of the bass coming from the speakers alone.
i would forget about old Krell amplifiers unless you just HAVE to have one. a KSA-250, unless you already have one and won't part with it, is pretty much a relic. anyway it would have to be refurbished to get it back to where it used to be.
your audio-memory in this case may be taking you on a long ride to nowhere.
you would have to duplicate your friend's room to fairly evaluate what you would need to do. plus a dozen other things. but i would start with the cheapest route- sit down with some excellent recordings with bass output, and not just loud (i.e. Black Sabbath).
and no insult, but if you can add a subwoofer, that would definitely solve your problem once and for all.
Pass makes some very highly lauded Class A amps.I have also heard Plinius amps they had slam as well. Slam is different than the deep bass you get from a sub.
I am not sure we need to second guess you. I always seem to like class A sound myself, go with your gut. One of the better suggestions IMO is to get a refurbished Krell from that era. If not re-capped and tuned up you may be dissapointed.
Krell's are known for their bass slam as they regulate the high voltage to the output transistors. This is mostly unheard of and very expensive to do. This makes the amp have a very low source impedance hence the bass slam. I had always felt that the older Krell's sacrificed top end performance. I would not purchase a Krell of that vintage as they wind up having capacitor issues because of the heat generated by the amp. They are also very expensive to run and dissipate a tremendous amount of heat, i.e wasted energy. If you do feel the necessity to own a Class A amp, try listening to a Pass Labs Amp. High current delivery is most important when driving a dynamic speaker and that is not necessarily a function of Class A or class B amplifiers.
Thanks for all the suggestions and insight.

perhaps I should provide a bit more context of my set up and room situation.

My set up is::

PS PWD Dac =>Joles Electra LA-150MKII => Ampzilla 2000MKII => Celestion SL600; McCormick DNA 500 => Celestion 6000 subs

The Celestion sl6000 system is a monitor+di-pole sub combo, where the monitor is a SL600 and the 6000 subs; So I pretty much have to bi-amp.

My set up is in a dedicated music room ~ 22x26x8 with a fair amount of sound treatment. I have 2'x6' bass traps in 3 corners of the room and sound panels in the other four walls.

I did move the bass traps out of the corners of the room to test things out. There was more bass, but not the slam level that I'm still seeking. To be clear, it isn't deep bass I'm missing it is that slam factor as mentioned above.

I recognize the Krells are know for slam and dynamics but the Ampzilla and McCormick had been know for being high current amps too. This is why I'm some what puzzle especially because my friends amps were just 100w & 200w krell's and the Ampzilla is 300W and the McCormic is 500w into 8 ohms.

I had ran the system using my PS PWD direct into my amps just to make sure the Joules Electra was not the factor as the Joules is a tube pre. There wasn't any noticeable loss of bass when I had the joules in the path, so it stay.

Both the McCormick and Ampzilla had served me well with many hard to drive speakers including ribbons and electrostats. I'm some what stun that a cone speaker would be tame by these beastly amps.

Do Krell's really have such dominance in the slam department that even well design amps such as mine are not in the same league?!

Would love to hear from someone who has heard my amps and Krell's to tell me if I'm just going down the garden path here.
Geraldedison,

Go to hificritic.com Read the review from 1994 or so some Martin Colloms on the SL6000 setup...he uses one of the big Krells...possibly even the 250.

The Krells really are a tremendous bass muscle amp. I am sorry i cannot say that i've heard yours which no doubt are good...its just that the SL6000 does seem to be difficult to drive well and to 'full capacity'.

You might also find that room setup makes a difference. ARe you looking for more presence of bass...or more taut, gut-punch? the latter is often helped by the amp having limitless reserves.