Small room, "budget priced" speaker advice, please


Hi,

I recently sold my dearly beloved, old Vandersteen 2C's here on Audiogon (and I hope SgtPeppers is loving them at this moment!) :-) I did this because in our remodeled house, my new listening room (which will double as a guest room) is just too small for the 2C's. The Spousal Acceptance Factor was just too low. ;-)

I have a PS Audio Elite-Plus integrated amp for power (around 70 W/Ch) and a soon-to-be-shipped-off-for-a-refurb Sota Sapphire for an analog front end (I have "miles" of vinyl)! I will also get a CD player at some point.

For now, I need to find a pair of best-of-breed, truly "budget" speakers. By "budget," I'm talking upper limit of $850/pair. (Gone are my free-spending, single days... I'm a dad now...) :-)

Listening habits: lots of 60's and 70's folk and rock, some jazz, Donald Fagen/Steely Dan, a little classical. Listening volume: not too loud. Sonic preferences: I value transparency and imaging/soundstage. Bass should be accurate above all, as opposed to chest-pounding powerful.

I've looked at Paradigms, which I know are highly regarded at lower price points. Trouble is, our one, local dealer is primarily a TV/home theater outfit, so you're trying to hear them in a showroom crammed with other stuff... you know the drill. I've also hit a high end shop. Listened to a pair of PSB small towers and disliked them; they sounded muddy and veiled to me. Listened to a pair of the smallest Rega's and liked them quite a bit, but would want to go back to listen again. I even wrote to PS Audio for advice; they recommended the "baby" Epos monitors, but they're out of my price range.

Thanks if you've read this far. Knowing how subjective all this is, I'd still welcome any advice you have to offer about what I should try to audition.
rebbi
Audioconnection,

You know, oddly enough, I'd never considered the 1C. My old speakers were the very original Vandy 2C's (not CE or any of the later versions). My wife never liked the Vandy "look," though, and I'd have to see if she'd tolerate these smaller models! LOL! But it's an interesting suggestion. Thanks.
Well, guys, if he likes Totem (and I do too) I don't think mating Triangles with a SS PS Audio amp is such a good idea. If it was me, and I know no one is asking, I'd dump the PS Audio pronto and get a PrimaLuna 70W KT88 based integrated, mate that with Totem Model One speakers, maybe some Audience wire, keep the Sota, etc. Everything off the used market. Just an idea...BTW, Rebbi, what is your entire system, wire included?
Rebbi,

My pleasure. Again, as I stated earlier, Ohms are not for everyone, which is a shame.

Was at my favorite local dealer yesterday auditioning CD players. Heard a pair of nice Usher monitors ($2-3 grand I believe) on Cambridge Audio 840c, Audio Research tube pre, Rogue Tube power amp. My toes were tapping. Very full soundstage + very fine performance overall.

The dealer also sells Maggies and Totems. I think I saw the Arros but didn't have a chance to listen.

My recollections of Totem monitors when I heard them years ago is that they were one of the best small box designs in regards to overall performance, sound stage and imaging though.

I heard a pair of small VAndy's loosely in NYC recently at low volume only. My impression was that the presentation was not unlike what I hear with Ohms.

They are not omnis or even pseudo-omnis, like the Ohms, or a box design, but am I correct thinking they are somewhat unique in how they do their imaging from most dynamic box designs?

I'm speculating a bit here because I have not really investigated the Vandy design, only heard them briefly.

I'd also go out on a limb a bit and say that Vandy users also often take well to Ohms and omni designs and vice versa, which leads me to believe that you might as well.

Maybe some other Ohm or Vandy owners could chirp in here?
Asa,

My system was purchased in the mid-1980s... it was what I guess you could call an entry-level high-end system in those days! The original equipment included the PS Audio Elite Plus integrated amplifier, a turntable that I think went by the name of Systemdeck (it had a glass platter and a pathetic suspension system... just walking around the hardwood floors in my listening room would cause the stylus to skip) paired with a Linn Basik tone arm. And, of course, the Vandersteen 2C (not any of the later upgrades, but the original model).

I later upgraded some things. I replaced the Aperture wire speaker connects with Monster Cable Powerline to2 and replaced the turntable with a SOTA Sapphire. Along the way, I added a Tandberg tuner and a Luxman cassette deck.

As I explained in my opening post of this thread, a home remodel and a much smaller listening room, as well as perilously low "wife acceptance factor" for the Vandersteens in the new listening room (which also has to double as a guest bedroom) led me to sell the Vandersteens here on Audiogon.

Actually, my wife and I are joking that she did me a favor in lobbying me to get rid of the Vandersteens, because the experience of shopping for speakers and connecting with this website has led me back into audio as a hobby, and I've really rediscovered the pleasures of all this... it combines the best of gadgetry, music and obsessive-compulsive personality. :-)

I've gotten to spend several hours in local stereo shops, which has been lots of fun. I also had the opportunity to purchase my first new piece of stereo equipment in over 20 years: a Music Hall 25.2 CD player. I don't have anything to hook it up to yet, but it sure looks nice! ;-) (Yes, I was a vinyl holdout until recently. I have "miles" of vinyl, and a growing collection of CDs, as well.)

Right now, my turntable is at SOTA being tuned up. Between whatever that will cost, plus new speaker cables, plus loudspeakers, I don't think a new amp is in the cards right now... maybe someday soon, though.
Knownothing,

I was wondering if you know whether the Ohms you heard were original (series 1 which first arrived in the early 80's), series 2, which I think started in the early-mid 90's through ~ 2005 or 2006, or series 3, which have only been available for a couple of years?

Reason I ask is I owned series 1 prior to my current 2 pair which are both series 3, and there is a huge difference in imaging accuracy. Imaging accuracy in the new series 3 is competitive with anything out there today despite the omni design in my opinion whereas series 1 was not nearly as well defined. Never heard series 2 so I can't comment on those, but from what I have read they are somewhere in between.

Unfortunately, it is not always possible to tell by observation alone in that the cages on all three generations look very similar if not the same. My series 3 Walsh 2's look identical to the series 1 I owned prior.