Speakers with built in sub any good?

There are the B&W DM605-S2 that sell for around $2000. 130 watt amplifier in each one to power the bass. See comments on Audioreview.com

B&W created them for situations where it is not physically possible to use a sub properly. You can get information also at their website www.bwspeakers.com I prefer a separate sub, but depends on your budget and taste. The Hsu VTF-2 power subwoofer sells new for $500 direct from the manufacturer. Probably one of the best powered subs for $500 or less new. Still leaves you $1500 to get good main speakers.

Speakers w/ built in subs that sound good to my H ears are pricey (Genesis, Audio Physics, etc). Agreeing w/ sugarbrie regarding a separate sub, I'd add another option: Audio Physic's "Step" + sub. BTW, how big is the room??

Greg, My room is 15'x20' with a 12'x12' dining room at the end with no wall of separation. This gives me a 32' from wall to wall. The LR (15x20) has a vaulted ceiling

placing speakers w/built-in subs can be problematic - the best location for imaging/soundstaging can often be at odds w/the best location for bass response. this is why many top-line speakers are 2 units/channel. i recall reading a couple reviews of genesis' megabucks speaker w/built-in sub - i tink it is their 3rd-from-the-top model, the 1st w/o separate sub towers. seemed to have excellent sound *if* the location/bass-integration thing could be sorted-out, which seemed to be a real challenge...

if ewe want true low-frequency response in a full-range speaker, & don't wanna blow your budget, i'd suggest a pair of used thiel 3.5's. w/their factory active equalization, these offer true 20hz extension, as well as doing that imaging/soundstaging thing that thiel does so well. even in absolutely mint condition, ewe should be able to find a pair for ~$1k. use the savings for amplification upgrade - thiels *crave* hi-quality current, & lots of it! ;~)

doug s.