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Stunned by a cable upgrade

Yesterday I received a 12ft. pair of Analysis Plus Oval Nine speaker cable and I am absolutely stunned by the positive difference they have made in my setup. They replaced a 14 ft. biwired pair of DH Labs Silversonic T-14s. I ordered these on the advice and glowing reviews of fellow members of this forum in an attempt to tame my bright system. I am currently using a Sim Audio Moon I-5 integrated, Sonus Faber Concertinos, Musical Fidelity E60 CD player and NHT SW3P subwoofer.

I must say I've never had the experience of one component making such an audible difference. The DH Labs have a very in-your-face presentation, and the soundstage is flat by comparison. Changing to the Oval Nines I was shocked how much width and especially depth were added to the soundstage. It had the effect of opening backwards like an accordian. Amazing! All the glare was gone and the music became bigger, fuller and just seemed to roll out effortlessly. So full in fact, I had to adjust my subwoofer to compensate for the increased bass and corresponding mudiness.

I spent the entire evening marveling at how the music of Robby Longley, Sunny Sumter, Diana Krall, Jesse Cook, Inscendio, Yo Yo Ma, and Oscar Lopez came to life. My gold Dave Brubeck Time Out CD had always sounded so thin, but now flowed with an ease and roundness I had never enjoyed before. Paul Desmond's sax was so real. The instruments and voices on every CD I tried seemed more lifelike and natural.

Previously, I had tried various affordable interconnects from Cardas, Kimber, Tara, Monster and DH Labs thinking this might help. While the different interconnects did change the character of the sound, the shifts were pretty subtle. A pair of Cardas Golden Cross proved to be the most effective and expensive, but the problem still persisted. It's almost as if everything was bottlenecked at the speaker cables, and now the music seems to flow unrestrained.

The DH Labs are in biwire configuration. The Oval Nines are a single run. I would have thought the biwired cables would have an edge in spaciousness, but this is not the case in my system. I had considered changing out the Moon I-5 for a tube preamp/SS amp combo hoping to cure the leaness. With the Analysis Plus now in my system, I no longer have the urge to change my amp. I'm starting to see how good the Sim Audio really is. I also have on order a Bel Canto DAC 1.1 and I hope this will reap even greater rewards.

I know this must sound like a cheap plug for a product by a manufacturer, but it's not. I'm still amazed by the transformation my system made last night, especially since both cables have been so well reviewed and are fairly close in price. Has anyone else experienced such an improvement in their setup by changing cables? And if so, what were the components involved?
gunbei
jim
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Sean, what a great cable shoot-out. Very thorough and objective. This is an interesting thread in the sense that it clearly points out how system dependent components can be.

I am currently using AP Oval 9's but without the negative effects that came across in your system. Maybe it's my speakers or the way that they are set up... I was using AQ Midnights on ML CLS's in the "full range" mode. I moved the Midnights to my SW800 subs which are crossed over at 100 Htz with an 18db per octave Butterworth high and low pass slopes. My only comparative reference points with this set up were AQ Argent and DH Q10. In my system the Oval 9's gave me the same positive sound staging effects that Gunbei described, which I why I kept it in my system.

I really wanted to try the Goertz MI2, based on all the good things I heard about them, but was concerned about their high inductance qualities -- reportedly not a good thing with electrostatics. I was also informed that my low output imedance amp (Mesa Baron) would compund this. Any experiences or informed opinions regarding this?

In regards to the bi-wired T14/ single Q10 question... according the DH Labs, Q10 solo is supposed to outperform bi-wired T14 in all areas... YMMV.

Good thread, folks.
pcc
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I experienced the same when I tried a pair of nordost speaker cables with my ML aerius i. The sound was ear piercing with the nordost. The dealer suggusted transparent and that fixed the problem. I bought a new component, bat vk200 and was not willing to pay the price of the transparent balanced interconnects so I bought analysis plus(rca to balanced) do to my current setup. I am happy with them. My dealer who sold me the transparent cables thinks I should switch everything over to analysis, I'll audition before I do this. I agree cables do make a big difference, but its just like all the other equip., no dealer cares everything.. Good thread.. Pete
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wellfed
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FWIW, both my brother and myself are using the Analysis Plus Oval Nine speaker cables in somewhat similar systems. We have exactly the same speakers and preamps. He uses a single run of 8' AP Oval Nine cables. I am using a 4' bi-wire pair. We have different, but similarly power rated, tube amps.

His system has very, very good bass reproduction(quantity and quality). My system is bass shy in comparison but still satisfactory.

Even though there are many similarities to our systems, there also many things that are disimilar, for one, he has a smaller listening room with 8' ceiling, I have a larger room with a cathedral ceiling that is 13' high on the left wall and 9' high on the right wall and a large opening to another room.

Since we live 250 miles apart I have never played with swapping out each others components, but it would be interesting. It is apparent that system synergy, acoustic environment, or both are actively involved in this equation.

Since the AP cables do not hinder excellent bass reproduction in his system, I believe it is IMPERATIVE for potential AP Oval Nine purchasers to audition the cable in their own systems to determine the suitability of this cable.

BOTTOM LINE, I think there are too many variables involved to make a valid general judgement about the bass performance of the AP Oval Nine cables. Even though I do not get the deep bass my brother gets I still love mine.

God bless.
sean
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Gunbei: The Goertz worked well for me in that system. I also have other systems that the Goertz did NOT "do its thing" in. As the "shoot-out" that i did shows, you can pretty much EXPECT different results in different systems.

Bear: I agree with you in that it is typically NOT a good thing to try and "filter" or "colour" a system back to neutrality. Then again, with SO many various equipment and cable combo's available, it is sometimes what gets the job done in a "quick & dirty" approach with more than reasonable results. Like anything else though, you can expect trade-offs with anything done in a "less than state of the art" approach.

Jim: The Goertz cables are high ( quite high ) in capacitance per foot. That is why some amps have a hard time with them and require the use of a zobel network at the speaker terminals. They are NOT high in inductance. Given that E-stats are capacitive by their very nature, i would NOT compound their reactance by adding more fuel to the fire and using a capacitive based cable. Take a look at what Nelson Pass wrote at www.PassLabs.com in the "articles" section about speaker cables. Using some E-stat's that he used to run, he found that using a small gauge high inductance type speaker cable worked best with his amp in terms of stability and sound quality. This is a direct contradiction to what Bear states above, but once again, it worked in that specific system.

Wellfed: Your comments are right on the money. As i stated, my results are VERY puzzling to me to say the least. This does not mean that EVERYONE or EVERY SYSTEM will have the same results or personal tastes that i did. I simply wanted to present a different side of the coin so that others are aware of things like this happening. I do have to admit that i was initially pretty "pissed" and kind of felt "taken" or "cheated" since i had gotten such poor results from these cables compared to what MOST others were saying.

As to the differences in bass reproduction between you and your brothers system, i think your room dimensions pretty much say it all. You have a larger room with irregular dimensions. This means you will have a harder time pressurizing that area, especially with an opening that feeds into another room. Since you have the same speakers but with different volumes of room to feed, you would need a greater amount of "piston area" to achieve the same amount of low frequency output in your room compared to what he is getting in his room.

Like the old saying goes "Big room = Big speakers /little room = little speakers". While there are various reasons why this holds true along with more than a few exceptions, i think that you would need to add a sub(s) to your system in order to achieve similar results. Besides that, there may be some SUBTLE differences (compared to the room acoustics) between your amps and what they are capable of doing. Sean
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