You guys are being to nice to the dealers. The bottom line is the bottom line for them. These are the same guys who have been telling me for the last 20 years Cd's are the answer. These are the guys who told us transistors are the answer etc. etc. They might as well sell us the lastest fad diet. When is the last time you heard a system at a audio store you could even live with for more than a day. I do have a dealer in phoenix, who only carries tube gear, where I heard the big Quads, with Quad amps, which was quite nice. On the subject, Teres or Redpoint, which are similar, are great products without the middle men. Designed and modified by guys who love audio. My feeling is if you get a Teres or a Redpoint your biggest problem will be which cart, arm, and phono section will float your boat.