What speakers have best bass for hip hop, and rock

Musicophile: good thing about a sub is you can turn it down and make "a lot of bass" go away. i've never liked subs much myself. they always sounded/felt like too much. it seems subs have changed alot since i formed my opinions on them many years ago. todays subs can be ultra fast/tight and still have good slam. a good modern sub(s) can be blended into a system very nicely now-a-days. "good subs" aren't cheap but they really can help if yor're looking for a little more down low. the set-up software is key as is taking the time to set it up. a sub will do anything you want it to...and don't want it to. your choice.

cheers

Personal tastes aside, any good quality design that uses larger or multiple and also good quality drivers (not undersized or cheaply constructed) and capable of digging into the lowest octave below 40 hz when needed WITH AUTHORITY will provide the best results. Also, not too big for the room, which can negatively effect soundstage, imaging, and detail.

IMHO, part of the experience for this kind of music is to be able to feel it as well as hear it without mucking up the rest. Not an easy task! Again, you also have to match teh right amp with speakers for best results. The amp should be able to drive the speakers to their max properly at volumes you will be wanting to listen at, not just meet some minimal power requirement, for the BEST results.

I'm still checking out all the responses. Thanks everyone for taking the time.

Don't forget also that even with the perfect gear, you have to also be prepared to deal with room acoustics as a factor up front as needed. It's a very fine line getting many rigs to perform optimally (not just "good") for this kind of music, and integration into the room is key, especially when it comes to getting just the right bass levels needed to be able to "feel it" without mucking up or overpowering the rest.

Try to find a pair of Talon Raven C's