Mike C…this thread was not intended to get your attention, but the attention of those interested in the 10T. In fact, your name was not mentioned at all, but only reference to your thread, a thread that I personally found misleading. I even agreed with your main premise that MSRPs are often incorrect in Audiogon listings. My intentions were only to provide more information, including correct 10T MSRPs, for those interested in owning 10Ts. With the exception of my first paragraph that explains the purpose and inspiration for my thread, the entire piece concerns only the evolution of the 10T. Although your thread struck me as being self-serving, I even apologized in advance if I offended you if that was not your intention. You even opened your first response to my thread with the words “great post” before sharing your opinion on the differences you heard. Perhaps you should have stopped there rather than coming back at me with your second post demanding to know what my point was. Don’t your words “great post” imply that you got the point? Anyway, I have answered your questions (sorry if you found it too long and boring), but you have failed to answer mine. I’m sure there are others here besides myself who would still like to know what your purpose was in trying to keep our Canadian member from purchasing 10Ts from a reputable and respected audio manufacturer and why you felt the need to make him feel bad about his gear.
At the risk of boring you further Mike, let me copy and paste yet another email that was forwarded to me by someone whom you were trying to sell your 10Ts to:
Hello…,
I'll give you a little education when buying a used pair of speakers or even an amp etc.. Below I will paste a copy of another 10T ad that is currently up for sale and show you a RED FLAG as to why anyone with some knowledge would be very concerned and most likely not want to purchase these particular 10Ts... If you look at the amplifier this particular seller was using to drive AN ENTIRE FRONT 3CH Aerial HT setup.. He was using a 5ch Bryston 9tx which is a multi ch amp (all 5ch sharing the same power supply) with a output power rating of 125 x 5 AT 8 OHMS.. Now its bad enough that this seller is using a multi ch amp that is drawing all its current sharing the same one power supply driving 3 INEFFICIANT SPEAKERS, he doesn't mention what the rear speakers were,,, (which would be OK IF the amp was powerful enough with a large power supply) BUT 125 watts is NOT ENOUGH CURRENT to properly drive a 10T and better suited to drive the Aerial CC3 which is a 6 ohm speaker with a sens of 86 (another inefficiant speaker but an easier load to drive than the 4 OHM 85 sens 10T).... The knowledgable audio hobbyest will easily see that this pair of 10T were being under driven and thus probably constantly clipping at a HT's higher dynamic range (DD/DTS is more dynamic by designed nature) and also when playing Rock&ROLL and definitley playing any CLASSICAL music (which Classical music is a more of a power demand for any stereo system).. Bottom line here is this is a speaker that has been way under driven and most likely the speakers performance has been compromised and very possibly has damaged voice coils and strained crossover parts.... I betcha 100 bucks this guys system did not sound all that good with sloppy bass and with unwanted distortion not being up to the 10T's true dynamic capabilities... I betcha this seller purchased these speakers used and did not realize the cost of using the proper amplifier... Plus the seller must not be very knowladgable by showing the amplifier he was using to drive 3 inefficiant Aerial speakers... A COMMON MISTAKE MADE BY MANY by trying to put a high quality top end system together without taking the time to LEARN how to properly match up the amp & speaker.... When buying a speaker or an amp it should be concidered as a ONE COMPONENT PURCHASE as the speaker and amp MUST BE PROPERLY MATCHED UP TO EACH OTHER TO OBTAIN OPTIMAL PERFORMANCE.... I'm not saying that his Bryston amp is not a good amp as that amp is a good amp BUT the proper Bryston amp for the 10T is the big 500 watt mono block Bryston amp... Many 10T owners have mated 2 Bryston 500 watt mono blocks amps... Using 2 - 500 watt Bryston mono blocks are the proper match for the 10T,,,,, DEFININITLY NOT A SMALL 125watt per ch Bryston amp and ESPECIALLY A 5CH MULTI CH MODEL THAT SHARES THE SAME ONE POWER SUPPLY (that big round copper wound core inside an amp)... LOOK at the copy of the ad below,,,, if you need help in chossing a speaker and amp please don't feel shy to not ask me for some advice if you need the advice... I'm here to help anyone if they need the help... Look for a more efficiant speaker with the same good sound as the 10T unless you have the amp and can afford it...
Smile Mike
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Selling my entire home theater system as I am moving to New York City into a small apartment and no longer have the space for all my custom stuff. Look for my other listings on Audiogon. I have a complete Aerial front end including CC3, 10Ts, and SW12 Subwoofer, as well as Bryston 9BST THX Amp, Sony DVD 9000ES DVD Player, an Anthem AVM20 Pre/Pro, and a Focus Enhancements CS-1 Video Scaler. My loss=your gain. Email me at jonvludwig@gmail.com with any questions - I know this gear really well.
This auction is for a pair of Aerial 10Ts with Sound Anchors Stands. Minor nicks here and there, but sonically perfect. 7/10 rating is very fair. Priced accordingly. See photos. I have priced them fairly, so don't bother with lowball offers. Shipping will be a bear, but can be done. I have the original boxes, which is the only way you could ship these.
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Mike….Once again I do not agree with your assessment above and truly wonder where you come up with this stuff. Obviously you don’t have much, if any, experience with Bryston amps and once again you’re trying to make the 10Ts sound like an impossibly inefficient speaker. The Bryston 9B is a great home theater amp and this guy’s system sounds excellent. He’s even using Aerial’s SW12 subwoofer to handle the .1 channel and you have no idea how he has this system configured. With a subwoofer as excellent as this he may even have all his other speakers configured as “small.” The AVM-20 offers a great deal of flexibility for set-up and crossover frequencies. And you are incorrect about the 9Bs power supply. It uses totally independent and separate torodial power supplies for each channel of amplification and will deliver in excess of 200 watts per channel into a 4-ohm load. In addition any two channels can be bridged. You also have no idea how large his room is or at what volumes he likes to listen at. As to the Bryston 7B monoblocks being the “proper match” for the 10Ts, once again I disagree. As I have mentioned earlier I am using the 4B-SST and have found it to be very powerful and it never clips even at very high volumes, and that is in a fairly large room with no subwoofer to help take the load off my woofers. Michael Kelly has recommended the 4B to be used with the 10T.
To keep this as short as possible I will comment no further on this other than to say that this email misinforms in several ways. It serves not to “educate” as you imply, but to try and sell your speakers by implying that you have a great deal of knowledge on the subject, and by criticizing and finding fault with another Audiogon member. Sorry to say this Mike, but I find your methods deceitful and self-serving. Nuf said!
At the risk of boring you further Mike, let me copy and paste yet another email that was forwarded to me by someone whom you were trying to sell your 10Ts to:
Hello…,
I'll give you a little education when buying a used pair of speakers or even an amp etc.. Below I will paste a copy of another 10T ad that is currently up for sale and show you a RED FLAG as to why anyone with some knowledge would be very concerned and most likely not want to purchase these particular 10Ts... If you look at the amplifier this particular seller was using to drive AN ENTIRE FRONT 3CH Aerial HT setup.. He was using a 5ch Bryston 9tx which is a multi ch amp (all 5ch sharing the same power supply) with a output power rating of 125 x 5 AT 8 OHMS.. Now its bad enough that this seller is using a multi ch amp that is drawing all its current sharing the same one power supply driving 3 INEFFICIANT SPEAKERS, he doesn't mention what the rear speakers were,,, (which would be OK IF the amp was powerful enough with a large power supply) BUT 125 watts is NOT ENOUGH CURRENT to properly drive a 10T and better suited to drive the Aerial CC3 which is a 6 ohm speaker with a sens of 86 (another inefficiant speaker but an easier load to drive than the 4 OHM 85 sens 10T).... The knowledgable audio hobbyest will easily see that this pair of 10T were being under driven and thus probably constantly clipping at a HT's higher dynamic range (DD/DTS is more dynamic by designed nature) and also when playing Rock&ROLL and definitley playing any CLASSICAL music (which Classical music is a more of a power demand for any stereo system).. Bottom line here is this is a speaker that has been way under driven and most likely the speakers performance has been compromised and very possibly has damaged voice coils and strained crossover parts.... I betcha 100 bucks this guys system did not sound all that good with sloppy bass and with unwanted distortion not being up to the 10T's true dynamic capabilities... I betcha this seller purchased these speakers used and did not realize the cost of using the proper amplifier... Plus the seller must not be very knowladgable by showing the amplifier he was using to drive 3 inefficiant Aerial speakers... A COMMON MISTAKE MADE BY MANY by trying to put a high quality top end system together without taking the time to LEARN how to properly match up the amp & speaker.... When buying a speaker or an amp it should be concidered as a ONE COMPONENT PURCHASE as the speaker and amp MUST BE PROPERLY MATCHED UP TO EACH OTHER TO OBTAIN OPTIMAL PERFORMANCE.... I'm not saying that his Bryston amp is not a good amp as that amp is a good amp BUT the proper Bryston amp for the 10T is the big 500 watt mono block Bryston amp... Many 10T owners have mated 2 Bryston 500 watt mono blocks amps... Using 2 - 500 watt Bryston mono blocks are the proper match for the 10T,,,,, DEFININITLY NOT A SMALL 125watt per ch Bryston amp and ESPECIALLY A 5CH MULTI CH MODEL THAT SHARES THE SAME ONE POWER SUPPLY (that big round copper wound core inside an amp)... LOOK at the copy of the ad below,,,, if you need help in chossing a speaker and amp please don't feel shy to not ask me for some advice if you need the advice... I'm here to help anyone if they need the help... Look for a more efficiant speaker with the same good sound as the 10T unless you have the amp and can afford it...
Smile Mike
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Selling my entire home theater system as I am moving to New York City into a small apartment and no longer have the space for all my custom stuff. Look for my other listings on Audiogon. I have a complete Aerial front end including CC3, 10Ts, and SW12 Subwoofer, as well as Bryston 9BST THX Amp, Sony DVD 9000ES DVD Player, an Anthem AVM20 Pre/Pro, and a Focus Enhancements CS-1 Video Scaler. My loss=your gain. Email me at jonvludwig@gmail.com with any questions - I know this gear really well.
This auction is for a pair of Aerial 10Ts with Sound Anchors Stands. Minor nicks here and there, but sonically perfect. 7/10 rating is very fair. Priced accordingly. See photos. I have priced them fairly, so don't bother with lowball offers. Shipping will be a bear, but can be done. I have the original boxes, which is the only way you could ship these.
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Mike….Once again I do not agree with your assessment above and truly wonder where you come up with this stuff. Obviously you don’t have much, if any, experience with Bryston amps and once again you’re trying to make the 10Ts sound like an impossibly inefficient speaker. The Bryston 9B is a great home theater amp and this guy’s system sounds excellent. He’s even using Aerial’s SW12 subwoofer to handle the .1 channel and you have no idea how he has this system configured. With a subwoofer as excellent as this he may even have all his other speakers configured as “small.” The AVM-20 offers a great deal of flexibility for set-up and crossover frequencies. And you are incorrect about the 9Bs power supply. It uses totally independent and separate torodial power supplies for each channel of amplification and will deliver in excess of 200 watts per channel into a 4-ohm load. In addition any two channels can be bridged. You also have no idea how large his room is or at what volumes he likes to listen at. As to the Bryston 7B monoblocks being the “proper match” for the 10Ts, once again I disagree. As I have mentioned earlier I am using the 4B-SST and have found it to be very powerful and it never clips even at very high volumes, and that is in a fairly large room with no subwoofer to help take the load off my woofers. Michael Kelly has recommended the 4B to be used with the 10T.
To keep this as short as possible I will comment no further on this other than to say that this email misinforms in several ways. It serves not to “educate” as you imply, but to try and sell your speakers by implying that you have a great deal of knowledge on the subject, and by criticizing and finding fault with another Audiogon member. Sorry to say this Mike, but I find your methods deceitful and self-serving. Nuf said!