Technics SL1200MK2 Cartridge Discussion


Hi,

I'd like to have a thread on cartridges that work with the Technics SL1200MK series tables.

I want to buy a Technics SL1210MK2 (the new black version from Musicians Friend) and need a cartridge recommendation. I am using a Musical Fidelity A308CR preamp that has MM/MC capability. My amps are Bryston 7B ST's and I have a pair of B&W Signature 800's on the way to replace my N801's. The MF Preamp is rolled off on top and the system is very listenable for long lengths of time. I'd describe it as detailed, but not too bright.

I really want to try the Technics table as it is relaible and inexpensive ($400 shipped or less for a used table if I go the ebay route). Please do not try to talk me into a different table. I had a VPI Scout and Dynavector 20x (High output) that I sold because I just wasn't using it. I'd like to keep this cheap so that I have decent TT available when and if I want to use it.

What can you recommed for a cart? I'd like to keep $160 to $200 as a max and stay lower if possible. Here is what I am considering:

Denon 103 (not the R)
Denon 110
Denon 160

Audio Technica 440 MLa

Shure M97xe

I do not know what carts work well with the Technics tonearm. I know that it is light and some threads recommend a Sumiko headshell for the Denons. What do I need to know here before buying a table and cart.

Thanks.
tigerwoodkhorns
I have KAB Technics SL-1210 MKII with Cardas wire, fluid dumper, external power supply, RCA connectors plate.
I'm using 0.5 mV Grado Platinum for now, and been thinking about Shelter 501 MKII.
The main reason is the compatibility with my phono stage.
Has anyone ever tried Shelter on SL 1210?
I have Technics tonearm only because Kevin talked me out of Rega, and I didn'r feel, he was doing it just to promote his own design.
Another question: reading previous posts, it looks, that supplied cart adjustm tool is not entirely accurate for overhang.
What protractor is suitable for S-shaped arms?
One more thing- Sumiko headshell, sold by Music Direct, is that the one recommended for Technics?

03-13-08: Cmk
Not so much a cartridge question, rather an SL1200 hot-rod question:

Which would be a better option for modding an SL1200
a) HiFi World's version with modded RB250
OR
b) KAB SL1210 M5G with:
Fluid damper
Outboard PS
Threaded record clamp
Cardas tonearm rewire
Isonoe feet
Some of those options are not mutually exclusive. The HiFi World project 1200 also had the Isonoe feet and an aftermarket mat. I think it would have further benefited from the clamp and outboard PS.

I have no direct experience, but I suspect the outboard PS would have taken away some of the "clinical" sound of the resulting product. I don't have the KAB threaded clamp option, but I do use his rubber grip clamp, and it adds clarity and subtracts both spindle and surface noise.

I also suspect HiFi World's evaluation of the stock tonearm is a tad exaggerated. In my experience the fluid damper makes this a significantly better arm. Kevin's reasoning for staying with the stock arm and adding the fluid damper and rewire is that the Technics' arm's bearings are better and more precise than those of the RB250 and 300, and that a fluid-damped double gimbal design is inherently more stable than a unipivot design. As for bearing quality, Audio Origami's rebuild includes reworking the bearings and lubing them with better, more permanent stuff, and re-machining to correct azimuth alignment. Then there's the matter that the Technics arm has adjustable VTA.

Given how ecstatic the reviewer was with the results, and the fact that this project turntable was compared to a SME 10 and a Gyrodec, it sounds like the platform--inexpensive as it is--bears up to some rather extravagant modifications.

Were I to go for a full mod, I'd first optimize the platform by adding KAB's outboard PSU, threaded clamp, an Isoplat mat or similar, and Isonoe feet.

As for the arm, I suspect that a stock RB250, with dodgy azimuth, lack of VTA adjustment, plastic stub, and standard wire, would not be a clear winner over a Technics arm with Cardas rewire and fluid damper. They'd probably sound different, but I'm not sure one would sound better overall than the other.

Once you install that OL armboard, however, it makes many arms available, some of which should be clearly superior to the stock arm.

Were I to do the Origin Live armboard-based tonearm mod, instead of getting a heavily modified RB250, I'd spring for the extra $200 and move up to the Origin Live Silver arm, which includes all the RB250 mods plus better bearings. Then I'd get Pet Riggle's VTAF mod. I think at this point you would get a clearly superior arm while retaining the advantages of VTA adjustment and easier cartridge swapping--with the Riggle mod, you can simply lift the arm out of its hole and set it on its side to change cartridges.
03-13-08: Maril555
One more thing- Sumiko headshell, sold by Music Direct, is that the one recommended for Technics?
I certainly like mine. Ed Kobesky (contributes here; writes for Positive Feedback Online and his writings and recommendations contributed to the interest in the SL1200 as a $400-500 turntable among audiophiles) also recommends the Sumiko as a first tweak. Other A-goner Technics SL12x0 owners have and like them as well.
Once you install that OL armboard, however, it makes many arms available, some of which should be clearly superior to the stock arm.

Johnnyb53 (Threads | Answers)

I've thought of doing this and mounting a Hadcock 228 Export, but the mounting distance is not precisely the same as the Technics arm (nor is the Rega RB250 or RB300, BTW).

I certainly wouldn't disassemble the KAB Technics table to do this. I'd do it on a used table.