The Johnny Appleseed of Music! Damn! I've been called a lot of things, but never that. Thanks for the kind words.
Acman3, it's not that playing around the beat is "allowed"; in fact, it most certainly would not be allowed in a classical orchestra setting. Rather, it is that classical training helps the jazz players better learn the rudiments that I spelled out in my previous response to Rok. It is more a case of it being tolerated for the sake of the student's growth as a more well-rounded musician.
O-10, this is certainly not a topic worth going round in circles over, but there is no "straw man" and why would there be a need for one? The truth is that we previously had long discussions (and one of your recent posts seems to suggest again) in which it was asserted or, certainly suggested, that jazz players didn't practice and study. A revisiting of those posts would certainly show this. I am glad to see that you no longer feel this way.
I don't know what you mean by my "wishes and desires" about old vs new music. I have no wishes about this, other than the hope that jazz lovers who are clearly steeped in the jazz of certain eras, learn to appreciate the simple reality that there is much worthy music being performed currently; including live music.
As "second in command" I needed to set the record straight :-)
Acman3, it's not that playing around the beat is "allowed"; in fact, it most certainly would not be allowed in a classical orchestra setting. Rather, it is that classical training helps the jazz players better learn the rudiments that I spelled out in my previous response to Rok. It is more a case of it being tolerated for the sake of the student's growth as a more well-rounded musician.
O-10, this is certainly not a topic worth going round in circles over, but there is no "straw man" and why would there be a need for one? The truth is that we previously had long discussions (and one of your recent posts seems to suggest again) in which it was asserted or, certainly suggested, that jazz players didn't practice and study. A revisiting of those posts would certainly show this. I am glad to see that you no longer feel this way.
I don't know what you mean by my "wishes and desires" about old vs new music. I have no wishes about this, other than the hope that jazz lovers who are clearly steeped in the jazz of certain eras, learn to appreciate the simple reality that there is much worthy music being performed currently; including live music.
As "second in command" I needed to set the record straight :-)