Chris, it's just too much of a coincidence, eh? Maybe there was some validity in his preference owing to the comparison of 12/3 '03 vs your 12/2 '02, vis-a-vis a safety ground too close to the hot in his application.
Indeed I should have given him the scientific benefit of the doubt, as it were. Sorry to Eagle for jumping the gun.
Again, Belden's lack of due diligence in securing UL approval for a mighty-fine power cable has roots in cost-benefit analysis: they just don't sell much of the stuff.
They were backordered this past month, however, so maybe they'll wake up to our tiny market's needs, eh?
Re motivations I perfectly understand your need to differentiate your product from a non-proprietary over-the-counter progenitor. But denuding it of color, twisting it a bit and and adding secret pixie dust, and then calling it "improved in many areas" before it was even available as a production item seems to be more brilliant but "loose" marketing than a genuinely better product, as far as I can tell, pre-production prototypes testing aside.
I won an auction for a feet of your NEAR-clone, if you will, but still haven't heard from you. I'm curious to try yours out. If it is indeed an improvement to my quite-unbiased 16 yr old musician-daughter's truly amazing top octave sensitivity hearing in single-blinds, then I'll be happy to recommend it to others, or even buy some!
Your attempts to proprietize a loose copy of one of these Belden 83800 series cables did get me to thinking about attempts to improve its performance, if even possible.
I fell back on my work in lab equipment manufacture, QA and marketing back in the 70s and 80s and remembered a process I codeveloped to stabilize finished fluorocarbons (PTFE, FEP and PDVF) after various manufacturing processes.
Seems that these wonder-plastics hold potential mechanical stresses that VERY SLOWLY resolve across time...sometimes an entire year (mechanically...electrical property migration's audibility is unknown to me). We developed a process for completely de-stressing these superlow dielectric plastics after molding, extruding and tooling, such that tolerance creep went from as much as 0.1% to less than 100th of that (under the measurement noisefloor).
So my little trick is to "treat" these 83800 Series Cables with said treatments to relax them electro-mechanically before shipment. Benefits include an extraordinary transparency and openness of the top octave, with full bottom end dynamics with a much shortern and shallower burn-in curve (if that could be quantified). So I'll call it Enhanced Stabilization Treatment...nothing more, and nothing less.
So please stop casting aspersions. I know you're one of the good guys out there trying to help others enjoy music affordably, as I am. The Eagle/Chris tag-team antics aside, I tremendously respect your decision to NOT simply encase these affordable wires in a $$$ low-value product, as we know several marketers are doing. You're offering an attractive web-page service selling your version of 83802 with your style of "uniqueness". The 19x26 does indeed provide a softer "hand"...yet is more difficult to push into terminal beds without errand threads. Some folks will like the translucent white coloration, or the super-twist...others not. Not important.
I just have to feel that proper, normal devil's advocacy is warranted when novel claims of superiority are made, just as with the high-priced spreads.
To avoid market cannibalization and offer A'goners other services, I'll stock some of the larger 83800 series for 9AWG PCs, dedicated lines and those PowerBoxes that otherwise seem so over-priced in the market. Your webpage access will guarantee your success. I'm happy to simply consult with folks re their total power delivery schemes one at a time, as I don't have to rely on selling product to make a living in my spare time. You may have learned that I'm somewhat disabled from a crazy fall last summer, with what continues to be diagnosed as non-responsive sciatica due to a herniated disc. The HMO ended my PT yesterday, suggesting that I now speak with surgeons. Yech.
My one-man Subaru business has been bush-wacked, of course, so I just fell into this David vs Goliath role after enjoying the 83800 stuff in my system for almost 3 years now, after seeing that Schurter redesigned their IEC into a DIY no-solder friendly design. Now I find myself immersed in this sparring, when I thought we'd be allies.
But then again I'm French....Ha!
Sorry to bend the thread, guys, and hope this pre-caffeinated (and highly pain-medicated) post isn't inappropriate. Cheers.
Indeed I should have given him the scientific benefit of the doubt, as it were. Sorry to Eagle for jumping the gun.
Again, Belden's lack of due diligence in securing UL approval for a mighty-fine power cable has roots in cost-benefit analysis: they just don't sell much of the stuff.
They were backordered this past month, however, so maybe they'll wake up to our tiny market's needs, eh?
Re motivations I perfectly understand your need to differentiate your product from a non-proprietary over-the-counter progenitor. But denuding it of color, twisting it a bit and and adding secret pixie dust, and then calling it "improved in many areas" before it was even available as a production item seems to be more brilliant but "loose" marketing than a genuinely better product, as far as I can tell, pre-production prototypes testing aside.
I won an auction for a feet of your NEAR-clone, if you will, but still haven't heard from you. I'm curious to try yours out. If it is indeed an improvement to my quite-unbiased 16 yr old musician-daughter's truly amazing top octave sensitivity hearing in single-blinds, then I'll be happy to recommend it to others, or even buy some!
Your attempts to proprietize a loose copy of one of these Belden 83800 series cables did get me to thinking about attempts to improve its performance, if even possible.
I fell back on my work in lab equipment manufacture, QA and marketing back in the 70s and 80s and remembered a process I codeveloped to stabilize finished fluorocarbons (PTFE, FEP and PDVF) after various manufacturing processes.
Seems that these wonder-plastics hold potential mechanical stresses that VERY SLOWLY resolve across time...sometimes an entire year (mechanically...electrical property migration's audibility is unknown to me). We developed a process for completely de-stressing these superlow dielectric plastics after molding, extruding and tooling, such that tolerance creep went from as much as 0.1% to less than 100th of that (under the measurement noisefloor).
So my little trick is to "treat" these 83800 Series Cables with said treatments to relax them electro-mechanically before shipment. Benefits include an extraordinary transparency and openness of the top octave, with full bottom end dynamics with a much shortern and shallower burn-in curve (if that could be quantified). So I'll call it Enhanced Stabilization Treatment...nothing more, and nothing less.
So please stop casting aspersions. I know you're one of the good guys out there trying to help others enjoy music affordably, as I am. The Eagle/Chris tag-team antics aside, I tremendously respect your decision to NOT simply encase these affordable wires in a $$$ low-value product, as we know several marketers are doing. You're offering an attractive web-page service selling your version of 83802 with your style of "uniqueness". The 19x26 does indeed provide a softer "hand"...yet is more difficult to push into terminal beds without errand threads. Some folks will like the translucent white coloration, or the super-twist...others not. Not important.
I just have to feel that proper, normal devil's advocacy is warranted when novel claims of superiority are made, just as with the high-priced spreads.
To avoid market cannibalization and offer A'goners other services, I'll stock some of the larger 83800 series for 9AWG PCs, dedicated lines and those PowerBoxes that otherwise seem so over-priced in the market. Your webpage access will guarantee your success. I'm happy to simply consult with folks re their total power delivery schemes one at a time, as I don't have to rely on selling product to make a living in my spare time. You may have learned that I'm somewhat disabled from a crazy fall last summer, with what continues to be diagnosed as non-responsive sciatica due to a herniated disc. The HMO ended my PT yesterday, suggesting that I now speak with surgeons. Yech.
My one-man Subaru business has been bush-wacked, of course, so I just fell into this David vs Goliath role after enjoying the 83800 stuff in my system for almost 3 years now, after seeing that Schurter redesigned their IEC into a DIY no-solder friendly design. Now I find myself immersed in this sparring, when I thought we'd be allies.
But then again I'm French....Ha!
Sorry to bend the thread, guys, and hope this pre-caffeinated (and highly pain-medicated) post isn't inappropriate. Cheers.