Any bad experience with wilson audio sasha w/p?

Bo1972 - you obviously must have some problems with Wilsons. 10 bashing posts, in just one thread !

FYI - I'm a classical music lower. Just before I went with Sashas, I have had Avalon Eidolon Vision and I have also extensively auditioned (in my system) Audio Physics Avanti, Magnepans 3.6, Audiostatic and Quad 2905 (which is one of the most natural sounding speakers around). I strongly disagree with what you had written regarding the Sasha. This speaker sounded beautifully natural natural in my room, with the 'you are there feeling' and soundstaging which was second to none.

I think that the biggest problem for Wilson is that people bash Sasha based on their previous experiences with earlier generations of Wilson speakers. Sasha sounds VERY different to all earlier W/P models (I hated myself all WP models I have heard, starting from the WP3.2 up to WP7; the fact that I liked Sasha so much was actually a big surprice for me !) which is probably exactly why Wilson didn't call this speaker WP9.

PS. I just sold my Sashas, so I'm not defending the speaker I own. I'm defending a speaker which I used to own, and I think it is a great product. Right now I'm on a fence which speaker to choose next. Wilson Alexia is one of the speakers I'm seriously considering.

I am not bashing Wilson. The make fine speakers, not impressive.It is as it is. The Pl-200 is more natural sounding compared to the Sasha. read this article:

http://www.stereophile.com/content/monitor-audio-platinum-pl200-loudspeaker

Stage of the Pl-200 is wider and deeper compared to the Sasha. Sensitivity is almost the same. S.P.L. of the Pl-200 is almost 118dbA. It is faster in respons compared to the Sasha. It can play at extreme volumes without any stress. It gives less acoustic problems. Monitor Audio tok a lot of efforth to amke it fit in almost any room. Instruments are sharper focussed than the Sasha. Use a Pass Labs amp and you will understand and hear the differences with ease between the two. The PLW-15 is for a 50kg sub with a poweramp at max 2000 watt peak very fast in respons and control. But you need Audyssey Pro to control it. The way we from Sound&Vision Consulting measure sets Audyssey pro to a superior level. Now I have the stealth low freq. I always dreamed of. It is fully integrated with my Pl-200. It is the first time in my life a subwoofer has become one with the frontspeakers. Instruments and voices are even sharper focussed and have the small dimension as they are in real. Wenn you use a sub with his own roomcorrection instruments and voices become less sharp focussed and bigger in proportion as they should be. Wilson is a brand what makes speakers wich are difficult to adapt in a normal living room situation. What I said before; many of my clients with Wilson speakers had the same acoustic limitations. Limitations means less enjoying of your favorite music. I listen for a few hours every day. because I enjoy music now at the max because there are no acoustic limitations anymore. At the end it is all about music. A system is never more than equipment to let you hear your favorite music. It is this simple!

"I think that the biggest problem for Wilson is that people bash Sasha based on their previous experiences with earlier generations of Wilson speakers. Sasha sounds VERY different to all earlier W/P models"

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It is truly amazing how many time this has been said about the previous iteration of Wilsons inclusing W/P and Maxx.

It goes (and has gone) something like this:

"Oh, but you should hear the 3, the last was so harsh".

Then when the 4 comes out, the same is said about the 3.

When the 5 comes out, the same is said about the 4.

It is an amazing phenomenon. I can't think of a company whose next model is time and time again so much better than the last model!

Regarding Wilson speakers and acoustic problems, I tend to disagree a bit
with Bo1972. Wilson dealers, while not experts, they know a bit more than the
average dealer about placing and setting up their speakers - as they are
trained to set up Wilson speakers. My experience with Wilson at show is that
they often sound at least above the average. They have a lot of bass, more
than enough details and have absolutely no problem to go loud. While I have
never wanted to buy a pair, I can understand why so many people buy them.

Ricred1, in case you are really interested in alternatives to Sasha, try to listen
TAD and Raidho speakers.

Kiddman, I fully agree with what you are saying. Very silly and unimaginative
marketing.

Bo1972,

Firstly, I have read this story of yours also on other threads. There really is no
need to continue to repeat it. Why not open a thread about Monitor Audio PL-
200 & PLW-15, Pass Labs, Onkyo and Audyssey Pro? Also, what other
speakers have you compared to Monitor Audio PL-200? Of course, I am
interested in comparisons done in your room between speakers optimized by
you using "your" set up procedure.

Secondly, comparing the sound stage and stereo image of a systems that has
been carefully optimized to the sound stage and stereo image of systems that
have not been properly optimized is meaningless. Especially since electronic
room correction systems improve significantly the sound stage, stereo
image and bass of a system. Moreover, I would argue that pin-point accuracy
and wide sound stage are certainly not the only things that are important,
timber accuracy is at least as important IMO.

Thirdly, I would be more than happy to visit your shop and listen to your
system and report back if things are so fantastic. Just let me know your
details, I live in the Netherlands too.

I think this thread is taken over by Bo1972 now! Let us not
bash Wilson but get back to Sasha.
As there are as so many Sasha in the 2nd hand market
completing with the older W/P models, we should compare
their pros and cons for new potential buyers. Imo, I favour
W/P 7,8, to the Sasha as they are easier to get better
results with less than perfect match-ups. All Wilson
speakers requires careful match-up but Sasha's requirement
is the most harsh. Let me explain, We all know W/P favours
tubes to sound best in the mid and high, W/P7 is harsh in
the highs but bass is easiest to drive. W/P 8 always have
too much bass no matters how hard you try. Sasha's bass can
be close to perfect but needs tons of current down low to
tame it. So, which amp has silky tube like highs/mids and
tons of current?? I think only a handful super-amps fits the
bill and $$$$!