Brit singers late 80s-90s....roses, mondays, etc..

You sure make it sound enticing ! Why bother to even try to get a snippet of these bands?

You are right. While the Happy Mondays were an excellent party band, Shaun Ryder spent most of the 80's and 90's tripping in one form or another. His voice is shot.

Phase, you could not be incorrect, they do carry tunes very well, its the way the songs sound best. Would the bands you mention (all mancs by the way) sound better with Pavarotti doing vocals? I think not.

Not asking for Pavarotti...just solid in tune vocals...when the vocals are so bad they interfere with the music there is a problem...at least Liam from Oasis can carry a tune ha! FOrgot one...BObby G from Primal Scream...appalling voice...I assume...outside of oasis...this is one main reason these bands never broke america...Swagger and starpower will only get you so far...u have to have some natural singing ability....

i don't think of the charlatans/ stone roses/ happy mondays as "vocal pop" groups. they fit more clearly into the "madchester" dancey/psychedlic groove thing--they're more about rhythm and sound than they are about concise pop songs and tight vocals. some of their contemporaries, like blur/oasis/pulp were more song oriented and had strong lead vocalists--i think they're failure to acheive in the us the same godlike status they enjoyed in uk is more a function of the brit accents and parochial subject matter, although oasis did sell a ton of records here.

Perhaps it the way boys from the wrong side of the pennines can't speak or sing, and I use the word 'sing' loosely as to what HRH would approve of,lol.............
Phase, you maybe waiting a long time for lead singers to have
singing lessons, when bands start out they hardly enough for food and ciggies!
I say forget the vocal talent, and just sit back and enjoy.
I mean how many people love Bob Dylan, Johnny Cash, and Mark ( call that a tuneful voice?) Knopfler.
Hope you don't start knocking punk bands,lol!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KnZbZbdJJg

The manc accent is the one in the coat,lol...........

As David Byrne once said "i dont trust singers that hit every note"...but as I was perusing youtube and walking down memory lane as I went to school in the UK in the early 90s...man I must have been on a ton of drugs to listen to this stuff live...its kind of dissapointing really...although the level of muscianship is quite good...the vocals are definitely the weak link...as for punk bands...Johnny Rotten and Joe Strummer were great "anti-singers" in the best sense...and early Oasis(94) Liam just kills...great vox...