Cerious Technologies NEW Graphene Cables

Hello Bob,
I have the Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Anniversary Edition 3.5 CCGR.
I’ve had it for several years and highly recommend it to anyone. The company has come out with a new High Power 3.5 Unit that’s made for situations such as yours. If you click on the link to Audio Excellence AZ you can read about the different options and models available.
http://www.audioexcellenceaz.com/products/audiodharma-cable-cooker-cable-conditioner/
Best regards & Happy Holidays to all...

You will hear continued evolution as break in goes past 100 hours and will be fully broken in by 200 hours. The mid bass will relax and the lowest bass will become more solid. This is why I want to pre-break them in to get you full sound sooner...
Bob

Hi Bob, I’m not up on such devices; perhaps some gurus here can chime in.

Since you mentioned break in, what is your (or any owners with experience) current recommendation on that? What aspects of the sound should I expect to change during break in?

I’ve had my GE speaker cables for a week or two, and they do sound quite different from other cables. I’m here to tell you, these are extremely revealing, open and clear on the highs, with an extremely wide sound stage. I can see how they might illuminate any deficiencies in an audio system. They tell all!

In my system, at least, bass and mid-bass impact is not as great as a set of Furutech copper cables(which were said to have been burned in on a machine for 69 hours) I have on hand. I’m not sure which cable is actually more accurate on that. Should I expect the bass to change over time? Thanks for any tips!

Hi everyone...Bob from Cerious. First Merry Christmas to all and Happy Holidays! I need some advice. I want to purchase a device so I can break in cables and send them to you so they are on their way to breaking in fully rather than just "brand new" and cold. Recommendations? Thanks!
Bob

I also need to order another Yellow power cord for a power conditioner. Just waiting for the power conditioner to arrive so I can figure out the best location, and then I'll know the length for the power cord. LOL!

Changed to Yellow AC for Nordost QB8. 

Have some SC's and a Blue on order !

No worries he sent me a message.  Stuff happens.

Just call them up.  I had to follow up on mine.  Just hooked the speaker cables up today, pretty impressed.

I'm actually really bummed.  Not sure there's anything more to say. 

Man,
I love my IC's from my DAC to my Pre so much that I wanted to order speaker cables with jumpers and asked for a invoice for purchase 2 weeks ago.  I'm out now. 

Mtrot,
Congratulations! 
They will improve as you use them.
50-150 hours of break in time but they do sound good right out of the box!

OK, I just hooked up my new 9' set of GE speaker cables to my Legacy Audio Signature II speakers.  I previously had them bi-wired with Morrow Audio SP-2 on the high frequency terminals and thick, stranded Esoteric Audio cables on the LF terminals. 

I have only listened a bit so far, but the difference in sound was immediate.  I don't know if GE speaker cables "break in" over time, but they were immediately and significantly more open and detailed.  It just seems like there is more of the source coming through now.

I need to do some more listening with strings, cymbals, and deep bass in order to make a more complete evaluation, but the initial impression is very favorable!

I have Magnepan 3.7i's as well!

@sharok 
All I can say in order to answer your question is that the GE Cables (IC, speaker cables, power cord) sound great with my Maggies 3.7 speakers.

I went ahead and ordered some speaker cables and another blue power cord with 20a IEC for my Audio Research Ref5SE that I have coming in.

I also find that using Static Guard spray on the carpet and or on the cables helps.

Yes! Thanks Dave!

That gives me a better idea of what to do. Thanks again!

-Tom

t_ramey,

I answered your PM and posted pics of the DIY cable lifts on my Virtual System page. Did you see them?

Dave

Geoffkait & Dlcockrum,
Thanks for the information!
Good to know...

Awesome, t_ramey. Let me know what you think after you get the lifts in place. Especially good under speaker cables.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0017LP44I/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Best to you t_ramey,
Dave

geez, has it really been 30 years since i built those Enid Lumley cable tunnels, using three 2x4s to make the tunnels, then suspending the cables inside the tunnels using eye hooks and thread?

Very nice Dave.

I got a friend who's a carpenter with the wood and tools so I'm going to try and cut some blocks in the next few weeks to mimic the df-ss. Got the damping material from Amazon on order. I used it in my truck door's so I know it's good stuff.

I'm currently burning in a GE blue pc I got this week so would like to let it settle and know it's sonic signature before doing anything else. So far it's really good.

"The most significant advance applied to the DF-SS is the wide band cable suspension bridge, designed to support any cable, power or signal, while dissipating vibrational energy through the purposefully tensioned polymer band. The second innovation is the energy-absorbing granular compound that fills the base of the DF-SS. This compound formulation absorbs floor borne energy that would otherwise couple to the cable, causing signal degradation."


Hi lak,

That's why I say that the rubber bands and damping material are key. I made and installed the wooden cable lifts many years ago, but the recent addition of the rubber bands and damping material made all the difference.

Best to you lak,
Dave 

From the Shunyata Research website:
"The Shunyata Research DF-SS (Dark Field Suspension System) takes the patented technology Shunyata Designer Caelin Gabriel applied in the original DFE and DFE v2, to an elite performance level by adding two important design innovations. In addition to the patented energy-field neutralization material used in the original DFE, the DF-SS incorporates two forms of vibration isolation that quiets energy transfer between the floor and any cable product.
The most significant advance applied to the DF-SS is the wide band cable suspension bridge, designed to support any cable, power or signal, while dissipating vibrational energy through the purposefully tensioned polymer band. The second innovation is the energy-absorbing granular compound that fills the base of the DF-SS. This compound formulation absorbs floor borne energy that would otherwise couple to the cable, causing signal degradation. These combined technologies define the DF-SS as the most technically advanced cable suspension system on the market.
To prove the DF-SS efficacy, Shunyata will be publishing Accelerometer test results with the DF-SS, indicating the level of isolation they provide from floor borne vibration, common to all sound system environments.
In a nutshell
The difference in performance the DarkField Suspension System renders is dramatic and easy to appreciate when applied to literally any high-performance audio or video system. When applied as a system, the DF-SS renders a dramatic reduction in perceived noise and time smear, yielding improved clarity, depth and spatial information within any audio/video system

- Static-Neutralizing Polymer
- Vibration Absorbing Compound (internally)
- Polymer Cable Suspension Bridge
- Vibration Absorbing Feet for hard surfaces
- Patented design
- Wide Foundation (won’t tip or fall)
- Unequaled Shunyata Build Quality"

lak
Getting the cables off the floor reduces the static that's down there, and eventually the static (etc) affects all types of cabling.

Not to mention suspending the cables isolates them from the deleterious effects of floorborne vibration.
 

Getting the cables off the floor reduces the static that's down there, and eventually the static (etc) affects all types of cabling.
I'm not capable of a better explanation, however there are others on this site that can give an in depth explanation. 

Hi t_ramey,

If nothing else, cutting a 4X4 untreated fencing post diagonally with a table saw and then a deep "V" in the top should work fine.  Paint or stain to preference.  The rubber bands and damping are key.

Best to you t_ramey,
Dave

Great idea Dave! Thanks for the links and info. I'd like to try and duplicate those as well.

jeony- I just grabbed some foam that was leftover from some packing material I'll put under the cables here in a while. Thanks for the suggestion.

I cut a black packing sponge into small pieces (2 inches high) for the lifter. Nothing fancy at all.  

Hi t_ramey,

I duplicated cable lifts like these out of hardwood and used Sterling Size 105 5" X 5/8" rubber bands from Amazon for the suspension:

http://shunyata.com/index.php/products-vm/accessories/df-ss-detail

Also adhered this constrained layer vibration absortion material to the bottoms of the wood wedges for additional vibration damping (not visible when the lifts are in place):

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KZ5X7KO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I cannot say whether I lost anything by using wood vs CF material (like Shunyata) for the bases, but I think that the rubber band suspension and damping material account for the majority of the improvement I hear, which is quite significant.

The tension on the rubber bands can be adjusted to match the weight of the cables.

A great sonic improvement for around $15 for each lift.

Best to you t_ramey,
Dave

@ozzy 

Here's some info on the Groneberg:

http://www.odysseyaudio.com/products-gronebergcable.html


http://www.groneberg.com/english/
If you click on "Catalogs,"  There's a .pdf that talks a little about the cables as well.

@jeony 

Interesting, mine is on carpet right now.

Elevating cables off the floor is one tweak I have yet to do. Being that the GE cables are fairly large and heavy, any suggestions for a particular material to use? My original thought is to use wood pucks/blocks. Is there a preference for height or just getting them off the floor the main thing?

I elevated my GE SC and PCs (blue and red) for amp and Pre from floor based on Lak's suggestion above, and that make a substantial difference Everything else is equal.  Much more bloom and bigger soundstage which I don't know why.  You should try it to believe.

@lak
No, I’m talking about the Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme High Current when I say HC power cable.

Groneberg is used by Klaus at Odyssey.  It's really cheap--approx. $200 for 12'.  He uses hospital-grade Hubbell or Marinco connectors. 

My friend purchased this cables, he was very impress, he use very expensive cables, for now only one ic of his previous cables is connected, maybe in a week I can listen , will see, how good this CT , Iam very familiar with his system....they are not yet completely burn in..

@limniscate,
Please forgive my ignorance, but is the HC power cable you refer to the Krell Vector HC power cord? When I Google it I come up with several possibilities?
I've never heard the Groneberg Quattro Reference power cord but I do know that the CT Extreme power cords improve with break in time.

I have at least 80 hours on my HC power cable and don't think I've noticed any differences between it and my Groneberg Quattro Reference.  I'll let the cable settle for another week and swap them out.  One of my friends with a lot of audio experience said that he liked the Groneberg better because the Cerious lacked soundstage depth.  However, that was when the cable was really new.

I sure hope I enjoy them too.  My current speaker cables don't really sound bad, actually, so the GEs will need to be significantly better to be able to justify the money.  It's just that I'm getting the bug for new speakers, but I first want to be sure to have the best speaker cables I can reasonably afford in place before beginning to make speaker comparisons. 

@lak

Thanks!  Because the terminals on my amp do not accept bananas, my set will have spades for the amp end, and bananas on the speaker end, so they can only run one way.