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CJ ET3SE OR 16LS Series 2

Hi,

I'm a complete neophyte -- especially when it comes to tube gear. I'm currently looking for a tube preamp to replace my "first system" solid state integrated. My budget is $3000 or less (would love to be less!). So, I'm looking to find something used, most likely. After a lot of reading, I'm pretty sure I want to get a used CJ ET3SE. But I wonder if I might not get more bang for the buck waiting in the weeds for a good 16L Series 2 in my price range. Other preamps I'm also considering: McIntosh C220 and 2200, Van Alstine FET Hybrid, Joule Electra LA 150 MKII.

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to audition any of these. So, I'm really hoping for some input from people who have heard first hand and can provide advice.

Thanks so much!

My current system: Magnepan 12s, Linn LP12 (rebuilt Valhalla, Cirkus, Ittok, Adikt), Musical Surroundings Phonomena, NAD C320 BEE with power bypassed for a pair of Outlaw 2200 monoblocks.
rollo5
rollo5 OP
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Thank you both for your insight. This is very helpful.

I currently have a phono preamp I've been pretty happy with (Musical Surroundings Phonomena), so although I'd love to get a built-in CJ phono stage it's not a must-have.

Sorry to be so ignorant, but what exactly are the age issues with preamps? Is it technology or just wear and tear? In other words, is a newer amp like the ET3SE perhaps going to be less problematic? Or were you just referring to performance enhancements a newer unit may have versus an older one.

Again, much appreciation for the advice!

-Sam
zd542
5,339 posts
 
Both preamps are very good but I think you really need to do some listening before you buy anything. There's no other way to get it right. That said, if you are in a position where you can't demo, either one would be a huge improvment over your NAD. But that's just my opinion. Yours is the one that counts.
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zavato
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I owned a 17LS2 for a number of years. It was a very good preamp. Might buy one again one day. Mine sold for a little under $3,000 when I sold it.
rollo5 OP
8 posts
 
Thanks. I've been trying to price them and this helps.
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marco1
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I own a Premier 16 Series 2 that I am very happy with. Have not heard the ET3SE so I can't offer any advice regarding which may be your better option. Regarding age issues, the CJ units in general are very well built and typically use very good parts. I own two of their amps and two of their preamps, the newest being more than 10 years old, and have never had a problem with any of them.

Regarding the sweet spot for their "older" preamps, my vote goes to the 16. Price wise you should be able to pick one up for not too much more than $3k.
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