Nathan_Winer wrote,
"I noticed that you quote people like JA and John Curl in lieu of providing evidence. If you read my many articles and watch my many videos, you’ll see they all include lots of evidence. Microphones capturing the sound of different diffuser types, audio examples of both static and changing phase shift, measurements and audio recordings that let people hear exactly what to expect from acoustic treatment, and so much more. Versus literally zilch from your side of the aisle.
:->)"
Pretty clever! You’ve changed your tune from demanding proof to demanding evidence. That’s a new wrinkle in an otherwise tepid and snooze-worthy exchange. Could Nathan be softening? Could Nathan be rethinking his position? Are we about to witness an epiphany? Don’t touch that dial! Talk among yourselves. Smoke if ya got em.
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Agear
I read Naked Lunch in HS. Burroughs was hardly a font of wisdom with his penchant for heroin and young boys.
maybe you should read it again.
"In 1983, Burroughs was elected to the American Academy and Institute of Arts and Letters, and in 1984 he was awarded the Ordre des Arts et des Lettres by France.[1] Jack Kerouac called Burroughs the "greatest satirical writer since Jonathan Swift",[2] a reputation he owes to his "lifelong subversion"[3] of the moral, political, and economic systems of modern American society, articulated in often darkly humorous sardonicism. J. G. Ballard considered Burroughs to be "the most important writer to emerge since the Second World War", while Norman Mailer declared him "the only American writer who may be conceivably possessed by genius"."
An ordinary man has no means of deliverance. - Wm Burroughs
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bdp24
I cut off my mop in 2003 when Pearl Harbor (whose band I had just joined) asked me if I would not mind doing. She was a London-type Punk/Rockabilly singer (three albums on WB, Stiff in the UK), and didn't cotton to anything remotely hippie-ish. She had been married to Clash bassist Paul Simonon, and ....
uh, did you say Clash? Prepare to get stalked. 😳
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Geoffkait: The discussion in which the Ginsberg Burroughs anecdote appeared was about knowledge not lifestyle. To whit,
"Burroughs, older and wiser, simply replied that he didn’t say anything because "you can’t tell anybody anything they don’t already know." That’s putting it rather in the extreme, but it’s another way of saying that some people just don’t get it and never will."
The more I think about it the Burroughs quote could apply to you. 😛
Agear: And you separate those two things how? Have you read any of his novels or are you flying on derivative knowledge as usual....? Again, I don’t look to either pedophiles or drug addicts for "knowledge" aka wisdom.
Bobo the botonist takes a swing at the theoretical physicist and misses. I can certainly understand why it took you 10 years to get out of school. I’m much better read than you are, that’s pretty obvious.
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agear OP
Somebody wrote: Some people's ego doesn't allow them to contemplate how little of our brains do we use, how little we know. A healthy dose of a psychedelic can help with that.
to which replied,
"I have finally figured out why this thread has been such a mosh pit. Bdp24 let the cat out of the bag. Aside from the erratic ramblings of Mr Kait (a given on threads of any subject), it has struggled to retain focus due to the insidious input of aging hipsters. In his book "Doors of Perception," Aldous Huxley celebrated the quasi-religious revelations offered by Mescaline. Cdp24 mirrors that sentiment. The dark side of such as chemical enlightenment does not always manifest until much later in conjunction with aging of the brain. These "experiences" are burnt into our grey matter as a neural circuit of sorts, and these neural eddies re-emerge in an uncontrolled and inappropriate ways unbeknownst to the victim. The damage wrought by psychedelics has been borne out to some degree in the aftermath of the CIA's LSD experiments (Kait, if you were a participant, this would make this revelation a complete circle). At this point, in a Zuckerbergian gesture and for the sake of thread clarity, I propose censorship of all participants with exposure to psychedelic drugs in their past. A hair sample can be taken, and if you are clean, your musings on mechanical grounding will be accepted."
Whoa! What?! Hey, looks like a certain botonist musta got a little hammered last night. Take two placebos, Bobo, and see me in the morning. Feel better.
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bdp24
1,811 posts
01-02-2017 2:27am
I consider LSD-25 a very dangerous thing, which ruined a fair number of people’s lives. A boyfriend and girlfriend at my High School got way into it and committed double-suicide in the Santa Cruz mountains in ’67. The thought of young minds being exposed to such a powerful psycho-chemical is horrific to me, as are the experiments the CIA performed on unsuspecting civilians. Shame on them, and on the people (like Dr. Timothy Leary) who irresponsibly encouraged it’s casual use.
However, it IS very effective at raising one’s consciousness, if used only briefly by an adult, as did The Beatles. But then there are Syd Barrett, Skip Spence, and Peter Green who, sadly, didn’t know when to stop.
actually LSD-25 in its pure form is quite benign. It’s the additives like amphetamine or who knows what that present risk for the user. Obviously drugs can sometimes bring out underlying negative or simmering issues that are already there. But you can’t necessarily blame whatever happens on the drugs. Speaking of suicides and other horrors they used to too say exactly the same thing about marajuana. And there certainly have been infinitely more suicide blamed directly on anti depression medication than LSD-25 or any other psychedelic drug. Alcohol is much more dangerous than any drug in terms of being directly responsible for deaths, domestic attacks, suicides, automobile fatalities, etc. Timothy Leary encouraged raising consciousness, remember? "Turn on, Tune in, drop out." Try reading Leary’s Be Here Now or The Psychedelic Book of the Dead sometime. Or as Alfred E. Newman intoned, "turn on, tune in, drop dead." Ken Kesey, author of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest and Sometimes a Great Notion took part in the LSD experiments in the '50. Didn't seem to slow down his style too much. As Huxley wrote, psychedelic drugs can be Heaven or Hell. Take your pick. 😩
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bdp24
I actually don’t disagree with anything you just said Geoff. I had a few great trips, and then got some stuff laced with something, as you suggest perhaps amphetamine. Luckily, it made me so violently ill I expunged it all out of my stomach, and things calmed down. The sight of a solid tube of rainbow sherbet-colored vomit propelling out of my mouth (think the Yellow Submarine animated movie) was quite surreal! I saw my first and only third eye that day, right in the middle of a guy’s forehead. It blinked separately from the other two ;-). That was it for me, thank you very much. I felt as if I had narrowly escaped the fate of Icarus, flying too close to the sun (too high).
Hey, same thing happened to me! But it was too much champaign and Guinness stout. Whoa, Nelly! Thought I saw God.
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bdp24
For those still with me ;-), an inference that can be drawn from the feeling of being outside the physical universe is that the source of our collective consciousness, such as it is, is itself ("His" self) outside of it; the Creator and his Creation. Mystical, man.
that’s a perfect lead in to a nice, mind boggling post on the dodgy subject of PWB Electronics, I.e. Peter Belt. What with their theories of shared memory, Morphic resonance, mind over matter, quantum teleportation, ESP, the perception of sound on the subconscious level, and the Mind Lamp from Psyleron, the multi-color lamp that changes color according to thoughts in the room. Oh, it’s coming. I promise. Oops, wrong thread.
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agear OP Not to get too personal here, but regarding "remote".....one aspect of my last "time" involved the perception that we are looking at the physical universe through our eyes, with the same feeling one gets when looking through the eye holes in a mask, being behind the mask and everything else on the other side of it---a two dimensional construct. Except that of course our "mask" is part of the three-dimensional universe, not two. We feel like we are inside our bodies, looking out at the universe those bodies are in through our eyes. Many people don’t consider their body "them", but rather what they are "in" at the moment. That is called an OOBE and as such is simply a neurological epiphenomena. Nothing spiritual per say although its novelty can lead one to construct an alter around that experience. Mr. Leary certainly did. Another warning about hallucinogens (all natural ones): http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0269881116662634Thanks for the heads up. Someone needed to pick up the banner from Nancy Reagan. Just say no 😱 |
agear OP
Still just an epiphenomenon whether it be Bach or LSD or magical tweaks that add gasoline to our pre-wired placebo cauldron. To be truly meaningful, there has to be a sentient "other" and not simply a closed loop.
Gosh, I don’t think I’ve seen that before - someone trying to win an argument by appealing to big words. I thought I’d seen them all. That’s a new logical fallacy on me. Must be related to the Snow Job fallacy.
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Geoffkait:Thanks for the heads up. Someone needed to pick up the banner from Nancy Reagan.
Just say no
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To which Agear replied,
"Not benign as you insinuated earlier. Duh."
I didn’t insinuate anything. Don’t put words, even your big impressive college words, in my mouth. What I said quite clearly was the dangerous thing about LSD is the additives like amphetamine or mole poison or whatever sometimes added to certain forms of LSD to precipitate the, you know, "rush." But not to LSD-25, which is the pure laboratory form. The pure LSD-25 experience is stress free, or so I’ve read. There has always been a lot of fear mongering and ignorance with these things, that goes without saying.
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Let us resolve that,
1. LSD shall not be administered to children.
2. LSD shall not be use to spike the punch at school parties.
3. LSD shall not be placed in bananas and given to gorillas or other animals at the zoo.
4. LSD shall not be given to pets.
5. LSD shall not be taken during pregnancy.
6. LSD shall not be taken everyday.
7. LSD shall not be taken by commercial airline pilots whilst or within 12 hours of operating aircraft.
8. LSD shall not be taken by an officer during military combat.
9. Surgeons shall refrain from ingesting LSD prior to surgeries expected to last more than three hours.
10. Air traffic controllers shall refrain from ingesting LSD within 12 hours of scheduled work.
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Anti depression medications and anti psychosis medications are much more dangerous than LSD ever thought of being. Yet their good outweighs their bad. Everything has risks. and sometimes the higher the reward the higher the risks. |
mapman
Putting any unnatural chemicals and/or toxins into your body is something to always avoid unless needed. Stick with mainstream herbal supplements if a safer boost of some kind is needed.
Mainstream herbal supplements? For depression and psychosis? You mean like, uh, marijuana?
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mapman
Ginseng and ginger for example are reknowned for their medicinal value. You can look up the commonly found benefits and decide whether or not they might be of value for whatever ails you. Many others as well.
Ginseng and ginger? For depression and psychosis? Renowned by whom, Dr. Oz? You’re serious, aren’t you? We’re not talking about the mange or dandruff here.
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mapman
Its your choice not mine. Pot is legal in some states. If that's what floats your boat then have at it. Why must everything with you be contentious?
contentious? You're the one that's being contentious as well as avoiding the question. Unless you think pot causes mental illness and suicide. You're just stalking as usual, that's all, from what I can tell. Which is fine with me if you want to do it. Doesn't hurt me any.
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wolf_garcia wrote,
"Advertised health benefits" are the cornerstone of holistic pseudo medicine."
Exactly. Which probably explains why pseudo skeptics and pseudo scientists are high on alternative medicines.
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One assumes the scientists conducted the marijuana experiments on rats because they found out that rat’s brains are very close to those of humans. 😄
Were the scientists involved paranoid that marijuana would be harmful if humans subjects were used? Were the human subjects paranoid? Did the rats get paranoid? Hmmmm, one wonders.....
I’m pretty sure there are plenty of folks out there with Alzheimer’s who’d be more than happy to volunteer for that little experiment.
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Gosh, what ever happened to this thread?
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mapman
14,230 posts
Good point
Hey, mopman, you were one of the miscreants. Hel-loo!
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ptss
Only on the electronics that are placed directly on them.
Stove Piping and the Backfire Effect
I guess it was inevitable that a topic such as this, do equipment stands have any influence on electronics would bring out the self-styled skeptics and stand up comedians. But what is both ironic and surprising is the cold hard realization (by your humble scribe, at least) that vibration control and vibration isolation are still perceived by many audiophiles as controversial, or completely unnecessary, or even unwanted and deleterious to the sound, or even a well-orchestrated scam. It appears that this whole vibration isolation subject in particular demonstrates what I like to call "Stove Piping" by audiophiles - working in isolation (no pun intended) and developing their own "interpretation" of what a high end audio system should be. This results in everyone comes out with his own "interpretation" of what’s involved.
That’s what Stove Piping does: without sharing of ideas and due diligence and research, systems out there will incorporate their owners’ ideas of what constitutes high end audio. Obviously we all have different ideas what that is. It’s no wonder there is so much disagreement in audio about ALMOST EVERYTHING. And I think it’s true audiophiles cling to their beliefs and cannot be shaken in them, for better or worse. Obviously some beliefs SHOULD be clung to. But many beliefs are worthy of rejection. The problem is, and this is demonstrated on many audio forum threads, the more an audiophile’s beliefs are confronted or contradicted the stronger he embraces them - the Backfire Effect in action. To summarize, Stove Piping and the Backfire Effect prevent many audiophiles from progressing and getting stuck. That’s why some people can be perceived as being stuck in the 80s or 90s.
No matter how much you have in the end you would have had even more if you had started out with more. - audiophile law of maximization
a brief history of Stove Piping
The most common types of intelligence collection, and to some extent processing, which are commonly found in "stovepipes", include signal intelligence (SIGINT), imagery intelligence (IMINT), and human intelligence (HUMINT). While there are other forms of sensitive intelligence collection, these "big three", in a proper use, complement one another. A SIGINT communications intercept, for example, may suggest the presence of a particular military unit in a given location. For example, as part of the Operation Quicksilver deception plan during World War II, dummy communications were generated for the fictitious First United States Army Group (FUSAG), ostensibly commanded by George Patton, in order to convince the Germans that the main attack would come at the Pas-de-Calais, rather than the real target of Normandy. Dummy equipment was positioned in the places consistent with the communications, and a very few German high-altitude photographic aircraft brought back evidence apparently confirming IMINT. The British, however, had jailed or turned all German HUMINT spies, through the Double Cross System. Had a real spy been able to get to a FUSAG location, he would have seen the tanks were inflatable rubber decoys. The British, however, allowed only false confirmations of real tanks to be sent.
geoff kait
machina dynamica
no goats, no glory
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