Grading Used Lps: What to look for?


Hey folks...my used options in my area include stores that use a fair,good, and fine grading system for Lps...however... since grading is highly subjective...there seems to be grave inconsistencies...I often find LPs with minor hair-line scratches cleaner sounding than mint Lps with some surface particles(even after cleaning)...any suggestions? For high demand used artists...stones,floyd,etc...the grading system is pretty forgiving and the price not surprisingly inflated...sometimes you really dont know how an Lp will sound still you bring it home...is this just par for the course for going used? ALso have Santana Abraxas which is warped and nicked...but is quiet as a church mouse...
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Buyers can
1. pay cheap without playing and take a chance
2. pay high from those reputed sellers who grade upon actual playing
3. buy at record stores where you can play them

For sellers can
1. only visually grade and sell cheap
2. spend time to clean, play, and then give grades, and sell high

If you buy records unseen/unplayed, however grades might they have, set your expectation not too high. For example, for bulk LPs I buy from ebay, I would consider only half of VG records are playable without hurting the cartridge (and my ears).
Hi Tvad,

I think it might be fun to compare notes on what we each think of cleaning up some particular album. You know, like what tricks you or I may have picked up in getting an LP to sound good. If you want I'll swap LPs with you. Not to start some useless pissing contest, but to really trade notes. We may have to wade through a few LPs to find one that we can both agree actually can be improved.

Genre doesn't much matter to me for this. Then again, I'm always looking for those original Blue Notes. :-) Let me know, we can work this off line.

Piece!
Dan_ed, the LPs I have that did not meet the seller's grading are either scuffed, scratched or groove-worn. They are not simply dirty.

I do not believe you would be interested in them, but if you are, I would be happy to provide a list and sell them at my cost.
The "PIG IN A POKE" syndrome is what you have buying LPs sight unseen. The sellers reputation is everything.
And you should pay for that reputation. I still buy a few LPs now and then.. but only when I can SEE them. I used to buy on ePay years ago... (forget that!)
With 6,000+ really nice LPs.. I am set.
The best LPs that I find in 'minty' condition are usually classical. The nuts who collected classical ALWAYS did so in a big way. And at least half of the classical LPs I find really have never been played.. or maybe once or twice. (A whole lot of classical wax sucks too... played by nearly blind old farts who scratched the heck out of the LPs..)
But most of the best are classical. Middle period Jazz can also be found in pristine condition relatively easily.. Finding clean early jazz is frustrating! (and very very expensive)
Rock... Finding clean, usable rock albums you might actually WANT is hard! Lucky for me I have a decent source locally to look around for those rock LPs I still covet.
I have to chuckle at the folks who have the 'old rock LP collection (200-300) from their youth, and wonder what it is worth... (zero in case you need to know)
SO, basically to respond to the post: Seeing is everything. I feel sorry if you have no access to LPs in your local area. (Those folks need to watch rummage sales.. Find someone who goes to them all the time, bribe them to call you the minute they see a big collection. some day you will hit the jackpot.)