Holographic imaging


Hi folks, is the so called holographic imaging with many tube amplifiers an artifact? With solid state one only hears "holographic imaging" if that is in the recording, but with many tube amps you can hear it all the time. So solid state fails in this department? Or are those tube amps not telling the truth?

Chris
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Will the Hcat be at RMAF? Would be nice to hear it and we could meet an argue there.
Carlos269, one of my undergraduate majors was Physics, but my Ph.D. is in political science.

I would urge you to listen to the H-Cat if you have a chance and would welcome you were you to come by.

Roger is very sincere guy and has come about a circuit that works, although it has been evolving the last six years. Although I have known Roger since the early 70s, it was only about six years ago that I learned he was back in audio. I agreed to give a listen to his new line stage. I was impressed and bought it. Relative to the unit I have today, it could not compete although it got TAS' Golden Ear award. There was an amp even then but only a very few were made. A production version of an exceptional amp is only recently available. If the line stage is very, very good, the amp is unbelievable and renders the goal of his electronics, a holographic sound stage.

Over the years Roger has repeatedly attempted to tell me how this was accomplished. Since the product sounded so good, I put little stake in my understanding about what was going on. Remember that Roger's innovation is his claim to fame. He does want to answer question, but not to divulge proprietary information.

I had an early linestage with no WTC, but although I wish it were automatic like self-focusing cameras, I cannot live without what I get when it is on the money, especially now that I have the amp. This experience is why I initially posted here and only to suggest that people give a listen to H-Cat.

I have no investment in his company nor have I ever profited from selling either the line stage or the amp, although I think I strongly influenced many to buy one.

H-Cat is not a scam, although I do know of people who did not like it or perhaps who would not deal with the WTC or Roger's suggestions about grounding only the line stage.

Publul57, it maybe that Lotus Group will have the P-12R X7 line stage. The local dealer who did demonstrations last year is now in China, I think.

Goldeneraguy, I suggest that you have chosen a correct path.
Norm,
I'm not passing any judgment on the H-CAT. I have not even seen nor heard one. It may well be the great sound reproducer that you attest to. As I mentioned in my earlier post, I have used Multi-Tap Delay circuits to good effect and results in my own system. Based on everything that Roger has said, it lead me to believe that he may be using this process but then again he may not.

My only issue here is the lack of foundation in his theory, hypothesis and attempts at technical communication on Rogers part.

If you like what you hear from his equipment than more power to you. To each his own and at the end of the day it is one's (the product owner)ears which are the final test and judge.

Keep enjoy it. I will try to listen to his gear if given a chance. Maybe Roger is just not an eloquent communicator, who knows, but these exchanges do not reflect well on his technical soundness.
Carlos269, have you ever heard an instance where are product is well defended in terms of theory or science? Since most merely revise old circuits with better parts or bells and whistles, what can they say?
Norm,
I agree with you that 95% of the High-End product have a hard time justifying their cost but I would venture to say that a good 70% of them are technically sound and can be defended in terms of theory and science.

An amplifier circuit is as you say nothing new either in tube or solid-state form but it either works or it doesn't. In other words, it either does what it claims, amplifies, or it doesn't. A Preamplifier has to by definition switch between inputs and adjust gain or it does not do its job.

But when it comes to tweaks, cables, power conditioning to a certain extent, isolation devices and so on; I whole heartily agree with you that most of the claims are unfounded and are faith driven.

Remember the title of my upcoming book: "The Great Audiophile Swindle!"?

I recently read a review where the reviewer says: "yes, like many other audiophools, I have a bad tendency to equate price with performance"

Audiophiles for the most part are gullible and will take these faith based products at face value. The ear is a powerful tool but it can be misguiding as what may sound neutral and true to the original to me may not be true to you nor anyone else on this forum.

This subject fascinates me as we are all after that "Absolute Sound" and spend thousands of dollars trying to achieve it. But in reality their is no such thing as we were never present at the original performance to base it on and compare it to; and even if we were all there we would all hear a slightly different account of the performance. The "absolute sound" that we all seek is a VERY personal thing that only makes a one-to-one connection and that is to ones self by ones self.

I could go on and on but I wont. The bottom line is that at the end of the day, ONLY you have to be able to live with what you have purchased and it sound like you and I and the rest of the people on this forum have; but don't expect the H-CAT to be the cats meow to everyone else.

My only problem with Roger is his lack of technical foundation, and when he does try to get technical he makes some outlandish claims.

Norm do you happen to know Roger Paul's academic credentials?