How does one go about auditioning a new turntable?


I've got an average midfi system consisting of a MMF-5/Grado Platinum into a Pro-Ject Tube Box, B&W Monitor Speakers, and an old Marantz integrated. I'm looking to eventually upgrade everything, and thought I'd start out with a new turntable. I am relatively young (22)and since I'm not likely to be staying in one place very long for the foreseeable future I'd like to steer clear of speakers, which are room dependet (as well as the amps that mate with the speakers). I guess I could be talked into getting a new pre-amp if thats the direction that I should head in.

Anyways, my budget is up too at most $3,000. I'd rather spend much less than that. But my real question is what do I look/listen for while auditioning. I'll have nothing to use as a benchmark, other than the music I'm listening to.
britishbane
Two parameters of turntable design are wow and flutter and rumble.
IMO speed stabilty is the most inportant. It is very anoying. You want a table that can find the right speed and hold it there. If there is a speed variation you want a table that can detect and correct it.
Everything is a trade off. Most tt use belt drives and a massive platter. This uses inertia or what is called the flywheel effect. Inertia helps the platter maintin constant speed. However if it goes off speed it takes longer to get back. Then there is the Denon approach. Lightweght platter with direct drive and quartz locked speed sensor.This allows lightening fast speed corrections. However because the plater is so light thre is less inertia.

Rumble is ususlally the sound of the platter riding on the bearing. It can be really anoying in the bass frquencies. Most tt take the Linn approach by machining the bearing to the nth degree or having it rest on a substance like teflon. Air and magnetic bearings a re very effective.

Most tt makers choose high mass platter wit
Two parameters of turntable design are wow and flutter and rumble.
IMO speed stabilty is the most inportant. It is very anoying. You want a table that can find the right speed and hold it there. If there is a speed variation you want a table that can detect and correct it.
Everything is a trade off. Most tt use belt drives and a massive platter. This uses inertia or what is called the flywheel effect. Inertia helps the platter maintin constant speed. However if it goes off speed it takes longer to get back. Then there is the Denon approach. Lightweght platter with direct drive and quartz locked speed sensor.This allows lightening fast speed corrections. However because the plater is so light thre is less inertia.

Rumble is ususlally the sound of the platter riding on the bearing. It can be really anoying in the bass frquencies. Most tt take the Linn approach by machining the bearing to the nth degree or having it rest on a substance like teflon. Air and magnetic bearings a re very effective.

Most tt makers choose high mass platter with belt drive. Why because it is just easier.

To me at least speed variations are the must annoying. Play a well recorded piano. If the tt has speed problems you well know it right away. Also you need a record with a lot of bass. Again if there is a rumble problem you will know it.
The next problem is vibraion control-airborne and structual. Examine tt for any way they can reach tt platter. What has manufacturer done to deal with this? Most try to dissipate the energy with either mass, fluid damping or springs. All can be effective. That is to say the vibration is absorbed by the fluid or spring. In the case of mass the thery is there is insufficient energy to make the strucure move.

This is why tt can get very expensive very fast. Dealing with these problems can drive you crazy. Fortunately after almost a hundred years they have gotten pretty good at it.

There are countless articles and books written on these subjects
The best way to audition a new turntable is the same as it's always been... twist up a big fatty (using the album cover to separate the seeds), turn on the black light, and put on Pink Floyd's "Meddle".

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Hi Britishbane,

Much as I'd love to sell you a Serac turntable, I agree with Raul.

You can learn quite a bit about setting up your current rig, while shifting your focus to your electronics.

I'd seriously look at an amplifier and line stage upgrade (perhaps a high quality integrated?).

In stating this, I'm assuming that your Pro-ject tube box is reasonably competent, and is the strongest link in your electronics chain.

You know how all of this goes however ... soon your Pro-ject will be your weakest link. Welcome to the club (grin).

Amplifiers and speakers are so related, that it's best to think of them as a single component.

I don't have recent experience with amplifiers that mate up well (musically) with mid-efficiency monitors.

Yesterday, I heard that of Nick Doshi's tube amplifiers is for sale here on the 'gon. Search on "Nick Doshi".

I have no commercial interest in this, but know that these amplifiers began their life as classic European made units. Nick sources them for the high quality of the output transformers and implements his own design around these chassis.

They're good for an honest 50 TUBE watts, and unless listening to metal is your prime source of entertainment, they ought to do just fine.

The hip thing about this strategy is that this amplifier could become the cornerstone of your system for quite a few years to come.

The only problem I see with this is that you'd also need to find a competent line stage.

I'd seriously look into this approach (even if the Doshi unit has sold), but that's just me.

Cheers,
Thom