Hype, Hyperbole and high price!


Okay, I understand that this site has to make money by having advertisers, but cheese and crackers, the claims that are made are just laughable if not down right criminal!  Before I attended an engineering university I too was duped into buying expensive wires and such.  Now, armed with an engineering and physics background, I can see through the BS claims made.  I try and not let it get in the way of my enjoyment of good quality stereo equipment, but when a salesman tries to sell me something based on testimonials, hype and hyperbole, I tell him politely my background and then ask him a series of questions which leaves him dumbfounded. 

Such crap as directional wires - (I used to work for both Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman) and trust me, if we had to test the miles of wires for directionality in every piece of equipment built...well you get the gist.

I have friends that are audio snobs and although they argue with me (Basically buyer's remorse) they know that what I say is true and end the conversation.  Oh well, I suppose I will continue to get a headache when I read said claims.

Sigh!
kenny928
Entertaining thread!  

"That guy [cable designer] must be an alien because no human could have designed a cable that sounds this good"

I love any thread where Al quotes himself. At any rate the OP may be a great engineer but fails to make a coherent point. He makes three basic observations in his original post. That sonic differences in cables are not supported by scientific evidence. That the claims made by cable makers are excessive and over the top. And that the prices are too high.

Let's look at each one. With over 40 years in the hobby, my sense is that  the ear is a finer and more discerning instrument than the oscilloscope and that if you hear a difference but the measurements do not support that difference you are either measuring the wrong thing or your measurement device is too crude to measure those differences. The OP never mentions the sound of any audio gear at all in his original post. I thought that the purpose of an audio system was to reproduce sound.

The view regarding the claims of cable makers is completely subjective, as with most advertising, some seems earnest but misguided, some over the top, and some quite reasonable and measured.

As to the prices of wire and accessories, again that is personal, and to some extent how one views the hobby. To some the improvement in perceived sound justifies the price of the gear. So if a $1000 screw subjectively improved the sound for the purchaser significantly then it would be a good value. Some judge the value based on the material value. The copper costs $60 per pound, another $10 for extruding and $20.00 worth of metal in the RCA jacks, etc. If it correlates to improved subjective sound quality all the better. Some are relativists and judge the improvement per dollar spent in relation to competing products. All of these approaches seem valid and tend to tell more about how the purchaser views the world than about the products themselves, IMHO.

And so sorry that you have to sigh Kenny. Don't worry, it gets better.



Kenny 928: engineers are calculus pounding equation manipulateors ! Close friend at penn state in 80's was a electrical engineer! Got me through Calculus and statistics! I fixed his Honda 750! He didn't have a clue when common sense was a issue! From what I've read it escapes you!
I love any thread where Al quotes himself.

almarg got all wet an OP is armed with an engineering and physics background and can see through the BS claims made, PLUS used to work for both Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman.  LOL!!!
My take on the defense industry as I have dealt with LM: they are used to getting $$$ from the government, are highly inefficient, bureaucratic,... Look at their latest "achievement": F22 way over budget, way over the deadlines. Now, what is your definition of an hyperbole again?

"I have friends that are audio snobs..." this is how you think of friends? Please look up the definition of friends.

kenny928, look in a mirror once in a while helps!