Micro Seiki, or TW AC-1


I'm trying to decide between Micro Seiki RX 5000 and TW AC-1.
They are approx. the same price used (about $10K)
Both are belt drive.
Unfortunately, I don't have a first hand experience with either of the tables.
You can see my current set-up in my system page.
The reason, I want to make a change from DD TT to belt drive is just to try a different approach.
Also, I have a feeling, that the bass would be one of the areas, where MS and TW might have an edge over my current DD Technics SP-10 MkII
My endeavor into analog is fairly new, so I'm not sure what my final choice in analog would be, unless I try it in my own system.
What I'm really interested in is the following:
Sonic differences b/w MS, TW and Technics SP-10 MkII
Reliability
Service availability.
maril555
Philb7777, Maril555 thanks for getting this thread back on track. And yes I am having fun or else I would not be here.

If you have not noticed, it seems like most TW threads turn into a battle ground. There is a contingent of posters that just attack anything TW. Do a search of TW threads and you will find this to be true. I understand the theoretical points. But if you want to know why there is not a lot objective input on the posts, there is the reason.

Maril555, this is a hobby for me but I have been at it for a while. IIRC the Micro Seiki 5000 tables were produced very close to the time the CD came out - early 80s (I say that for anyone that may not know). They were fairly expensive for the time and not a lot of the high end tables i.e. 5000, 8000 ect. were sold because of the new CD and the economy was tough as well. So it is sort of a mistry even on audiogon. I assume you have done some research on MS tables to be even asking. What have you turned up? If you have not found it there are usually forums on interesting vintage equipment. There is no doubt in my mind the better MS tables are very interesting.

One thing that amazes me is how so many threads in the analog section drill down relentlessly on one point (but speed controll is very important) but seemingly miss some of the big picture.

For example, the preception of the leading edge trasient. I get how the TT speed control is critical to that. But lets go to the other end of the chain, the speakers.

Many high end, even uber high end speakers, use steep cross over slopes where the finished product has the tweeter out of phase of the woofer (in a two way) or out of phase from the midrange in three way. Good luck with assessing the leading edge when different drivers are out of phase.

One more thing that is even more important on the speaker end is the issue of first refections points on the floor, celling, and side walls. Nothing like have the leading edge smeared by those reflections.

Then there is the bass response in your room...

I only go on to illiustrate how important the whole of a system is to what one hears.

Philb7777, Maril555 much of my post is for anyone folling the thread.
I don't think getting a projectable sample is of any value here guys. I think you have to put these units in the system in question, and live with them for a while. That's the only way. Expensive, perhaps, but if Maril bought a good MS, and got Jeff to 'loan' him an AC and he decided he liked the AC better, the MS could be resold pretty easily, as long as it was a good example, no?
Sometimes it remembers me to car selling "Yes, it has 8 cyl., sometimes they run, but don't be so picky, six or seven are also great. The tires are round, the painting is nice, it is a great car. We have lots of customers who do'#t drive faster than 55 anyway..."

Best is, buy a Timeline, go to a Dealer, ask for a Demo and put it on.
Syntax if that is your response, its lame. Really? Address the points raise above. No more mis direction Take a couple of dayes, you may need it.