My Audio Research experience


To all you goners out there, here is my experience with Audio Research.

Approximately four years ago I purchased an AR Reference 75 power amp.  It was on special at the time and I bought if from a dealer in Brisbane, Australia.

I used the amp for the rear channels of my home theatre system which I only use occasionally because I travel a lot for work and I mainly listen to music.

One night I switched the amp on and a white flash and burning smell came from the amplifier and it didn’t power up.  I thought it may have been a tube, and because I had no spares, I reported the problem to my Brisbane dealer and via email to Audio Research.  A copy of the reply sent from AR on the 5th March 2016 follows:

'Thank you for choosing Audio Research and the REF75. I suspect you had an internal tube arc. The internal tube short can also take out a plate or screen resistor. So just replacing the tube will not fix this problem. The resistors also need to be replaced. You can confirm this by checking the bias for this tube. If the bias reads zero, a resistor is open.  This is an easy repair that our distributor in Australia can do.

The SE update for the REF75 comes with a complete new set of tubes including a new set of KT150s.  This is the only way it is sold. If you so choose, Our Australian distributor can also install this SE upgrade for you while the amp is in for repair.'

I then proceeded to order some more tubes to see if a replacement tube would fix the problem.

I ordered the following tubes:

2 x Electro-Harmonix 6H30Pi Gold with Matched Triodes (Balanced)

4 x KT150 Power Vacuum Tube - [Matching (10+ tubes)]

4 x KT120 Power Vacuum Tubes - [Matching (10+ tubes)]

When they arrived, I tried the new tubes but they didn’t fix the problem as the amplifier failed to switch on.  I then contacted my dealer and freighted the amplifier to Brisbane for repair.  This was done in June of last year.  I included all of the above tubes in the package in case they were needed.  I also would have liked the amp to be upgraded to SE status using the tubes supplied if possible.

In September/October last year I enquired about the status of the repair and before Christmas enquired again. After again emailing AR, I was contacted by the Australian Distributor who told me that the service agent in Brisbane had been trying to get parts for the wrong amplifier and that the amplifier would be transported to Melbourne for repair.  I asked them to get me a price for the upgrade using my tubes.

In January/February of this year, I was contacted by the Australian Distributor and had to supply proof of purchase because there was a dispute over whether the amplifier was in fact under warranty when the fault occurred.  I again asked about getting the upgrade using the supplied tubes which were still with the repair agent in Brisbane.  Eventually I was told that I could have the upgrade using AR tubes only, for the heavily discounted price of $3,000 Australian.  Nothing like gouging your customers!!!!!!  Especially when I could have bought a small car for the original cost of the amplifier in Australia.

I chose to just get the original amplifier repaired under warranty which I was told needed a new main circuit board.  This week my amplifier finally arrived back home after nearly 12 months away for a repair under warranty.  The original tubes have been put in a box with ‘Faulty Old Tubes,’ written on the box.  The tubes I sent with the amplifier have not been returned, and no replacement tubes have been included.

I am amazed that the initial fault destroyed six tubes, so I have asked how the Distributor tested the tubes to determine that they were faulty.  I am now left with an amplifier that doesn’t work and 10 expensive vacuum tubes missing somewhere in Australia.  I am also left with a conundrum, if when I finally get my tubes back and use them to ensure the amplifier works, what happens if it doesn’t.  Will AR then blame me for any fault that occurs on power up because I haven’t purchased tubes from them at their heavily marked up prices????

For me I will never touch another Audio Research product for as long as I reside on this planet.  I will be telling all my audiophile friends and putting this report on every forum that will publish it.  Best of luck for the future Audio Research and may you drown in your policy mess!!!

thazeldean
Thazeldean, 
With all repairs for ARC in Australia, there is one authorised service tech in Australia that does the repair. Your dealer should have sent it back to Synergy at his or Synergy's expense. He seems to be the cause of this whole debacle by trying perform the repair on his own. It may be possible that the tech he employed to fix your amp may have caused the fluid spill and put the blame on you. The repair should have been an easy job consisting of a few resistors if the problem was actually failed tube. Moisture from condensation would not have been the cause of the issue unless the amp was sitting under an leaking aircon blower. The Ref 75 has horizontally a mounted main board and is not prone to condensation issues.

thazeldean said:

I am told that if I use these tubes and the board or other parts are damaged I won’t be covered.

I am not sure if this matters because the amp is out of warranty anyway.

I have to phone Synergy today to find out the cost of tubes from ARC but I don’t know if there will be any further warranty if I do buy those tubes.

90 day repair service warranty. Tubes 90 day warranty. I would imagine the warranty started the day you received the repaired amp.

When the amp was new, I believe, the tubes were warranted for 90 days as well.

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knghifi  1,611 posts                                                            04-09-2017 6:03pm
I bought the amp second hand from a guy in the US when the Aussie Dollar was higher.
thazeldean, I guess you meant preamp?

knghifi,

Please supply the entire post of thazeldean’s where such a statement was made.
I think you have the OP mixed up with someone else. The OP stated in his original posted message he bought the amp new.


To all you goners out there, here is my experience with Audio Research.

Approximately four years ago I purchased an AR Reference 75 power amp. It was on special at the time and I bought if from a dealer in Brisbane, Australia.

I used the amp for the rear channels of my home theatre system which I only use occasionally because I travel a lot for work and I mainly listen to music.

One night I switched the amp on and a white flash and burning smell came from the amplifier and it didn’t power up. I thought it may have been a tube, and because I had no spares, I reported the problem to my Brisbane dealer and via email to Audio Research. A copy of the reply sent from AR on the 5th March 2016 follows:

thazeldean

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The amp was repaired under warranty after the OP produced a copy of the sales receipt. Not uncommon for proof of purchase and date of purchase.
Remember the amp was just gathering dust at the Brisbane dealer’s place for about 5 or 6 months before it was finally sent to the authorized ARC repair facility.


Certainly appears that knghifi invented that supposed quote of thazeldean saying he bought the amp used. 
@jea48 

Thanks for all the posts guys but some information to clear up some misconceptions. Firstly the amp failed with the original tubes. I could not see a resistor blown when I opened the amp to see what had happened. I replaced the fuse in the amp and tried other tubes but the amp wouldn't power up so I couldn't have damaged it by trying new tubes. I was accused of pouring water into the amp by the Brisbane repair agent etc. etc. etc.

Compare this to my experience with Allnic. I have an Allnic L-3000 that was upgraded to L-4000 by the manufacturer. I bought the amp second hand from a guy in the US when the Aussie Dollar was higher. I left the batteries in the remote for too long and they leaked and wrecked the remote. By the way the preamp has worked faultlessly since I purchased it second hand in 2011 and it is the best sounding preamp I have had in my system.

"I bought the amp second hand from a guy in the US when the Aussie Dollar was higher. ..."  After OP mentioned amp is bought new, I reread and think he meant "preamp second hand ..." and not his REF75.