My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.
Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.
Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?
Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass. It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.
Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.
Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.
Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.
Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.
Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.
My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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Jafant,
happy new year to you. 

Luxman d08u: sweetness, beautiful engaging sound. You can sit down for hours listening to it. 

Esoteric k1: more transparent, less forgiving of the source. Huge soundstage, articulate bass with lots of tight punch. 

Luxman d08u is excellent if your sources are decent. For example, I have my oled tv going out optical into the dac so I can watch sports or movies through my speakers occasionally and the Luxman was better than the esoteric. It gave more sparkle and sweetness. The esoteric sounded less detailed with my tv feeding signal to it. It pretty much told me “this is what your tv is telling me to play for you”


Greg,
i owned the k1 grandioso. It’s not the same as the k01. The grandioso don’t have those settings. They got rid of them. 
SWEETNESS= ENGAGING, TONS OF FATIGUE FREE LISTENING SESSIONS, NOT TRANSPARENT (meaning NOT TRUE TO THE SOURCE). It imposes its own sound signature regardless of how crappy the incoming signal is.

The esoteric k1 is transparent (not sweet). It gives you everything that comes to it. It does not make a crappy tv digital signal sound outstanding. It presents it very dull. The luxman "fixes" crappy signals by imposing its "sweetness" and making most sources far more enjoyable.
Luxman is sweet sounding and NOT DULL AT ALL. i can listen to luxman for hours and not once do i feel that it sounds dull or boring. Quite the opposite.
There’s nothing wrong with liking one or the other. For instance, I was just reading about the comparison of the bmw 750 vs S550. Both great but the driving experience is very different. It is hard to pick one over the other. It’s the same thing with audio equipment when you get to
a certain price point. I like inviting sound that grabs me and makes me listen. Transparent is good but at times it can get me upset because maybe it’s a song I like and it sounds horrible and at that moment I prefer the component that is not transparent so I can enjoy that one song a little more.  We all have songs that we love from our youth that dont sound good today with our components and that blows. 
Lampizator vs msb.... oh boy it’s coming to a final decision in the next few days...
Ok guys,
im picking up the Lampizator pacific tomorrow. If you all recommended me the lampizator on this thread and it doesn’t deliver, I’ll come after you all lol

The Lampizator was chosen by me based on my knowledge of the synergy that tubes and panels have. I also want to try a source that is a totally different presentation than the solid state dacs I’ve owned. So yes it was picked taking into account the rest of my system. I am a sucker for that 3D effect that tubes give you and that feeling should be enhanced even more with this dac. Again, this is my preliminary feeling but I won’t know until tomorrow night. 
I also feel like I’ve gotten to a good point with amplification for my Neolith. Sure there will be more amps for me to try but I’m not really rushing to try more and more. Instead, I’m looking at the rest of my set up in order to tweak the sound to my liking. The ref10/block audio se combo is brutal. It will throw a sound that you keep looking behind your head checking to see if you have surround sound speakers. Lastly, over the last 4 days, there is something that’s been happening to my system. It feels as if things are slowly starting to “click in place” better which has given me more and more enjoyment. That said, about a week ago I wasn’t getting this same effect. I felt as if things were dull or muffled. Now they don’t sound like that anymore. Maybe that’s my ref10 still going through a break in process? I have not turned off the block audios since I got them. They are left on even if no music is playing since they automatically switch to eco mode after a signal hasn’t been played for 15 minutes. 
Who knows what is happening but I’ve been quite impressed over the last few days with how things are just working together. 
Lampizator pacific has been fired up and playing for the last 30 min. Impressions to come tonight for the first product of 2019. Stay tuned ! 
Everything is stock on the dac. No tube rolling at this time.
It also has the preamp option with remote but this is a single ended only dac. I plan to use it as a preamp down the road to see how it sounds with the block audios.
as far as why I didn’t get the gold dac, well I was told it’s in a pain in the a$$ to keep it clean and it’s a  fingerprint magnet.   
I will give my initial thoughts later tonight for those of you who are interested in hearing my impressions.
It has two 300b and one 5u4G towards the front.
@mitch2
i would say you should stick to a pair of 600.8s. I just can’t lie, I simply don’t like pass labs as much as I once did before. There are so many better amps out here. I’ve said to try the simaudio 860a and Luxman 900u instead.
The xs300s are probably something magical though... that is an amp I must have at some point in my journey.

Lastly, if the lampizator Pacific DAC ends up with better synergy than my ref10, I’d be sure to post it here. I still believe the ref10 is oustanding but I did hear it with Rockport speakers and I did not like it. 
Techno,
FYI, I just woke up and wasn’t able to do critical listening last night. I don’t like doing any sort of analysis when I’m tired because as I had previously explained on this thread, your ears don’t work the same when you are tired. The same effect that happens to your eyes when you are tired ( blurry vision and constant rubbing of your eyes) is what your brain does with your hearing (shuts it down).
I will try to do some listening at some point today if I can (family duties).
You also mentioned that this was an amp thread and that im not doing that anymore. Did you forget I have the musical fidelity titan arriving next week or do you only choose to hear/read what you want?  I also stated a few weeks/months ago that the pool is getting shallower in terms of amplifiers that I want to try. Im
not sure where the disconnect is? 
Before I update on my thoughts on the dac, I wanted to say that I went to listen to some incredible equipment yesterday. I heard a full gryphon system with the $120,000 msb dac connected to it and it was just amazing. So clean, forceful and smooth with plenty of oomph. I really did not think I’d like the full gryphon set up as much as I did. However, the msb $120,000 dac was the most analog sounding dac I’ve ever heard. It was shocking to say the least. The one thing I can say is that I can’t for sure say HOW MUCH of the awesome sound was attributed to the dac or the gryphon components. Was it 60% dac and 40% gryphon? Hard to tell but it was a sublime experience. 

All that said, the biggest take away for me was that I realize I don’t like rooms that are overly done. This is why I realize that each time I go to listen to a different component at a store I feel it “relaxed and less lively” sounding. I get the feeling I’m probably the type that would like a room that is treated but that STILL has a little “lively feeling” to it. I want the music to still expand and spread without it being totally absorbed by all the room treatment. I’m not sure if you all can understand what’s im trying to say but essentially what I’m saying is that too much room treatment might not be my cup of tea. 


We are all in agreement that the floor needs a carpet, back wall needs some and corners need bass traps. Im just not a fan of ceiling treatment, then the entire side wall is pretty much trrated etc. That’s when I feel like it just makes the presentation too laid back. 

Techno- you are probably right but I’m not there. Trust me the 30 min I heard yesterday was enough for me to hold back and check again today if what I heard was in fact the right thing. 
Just got done listening to the lampizator for 2 hours as a preamp and as a source. My impressions will be posted tonight.
in the meantime, I will leave you what the impressions from my wife of the lampizator:

1. More bass than the ref 10
2. More detail 

my thoughts to come later....
Alright guys,
So today I’ve listened to my Lampizator pacific more and managed to get a few thoughts down when using it as a source:

1. Incredible musicality
2. Longer music sessions than expected (which Luxman components did a great job at)
3. The darkest backgrounds with crazy “pop”
4. Huge soundstage
5. The most engaging presentation I’ve known which All Luxman components have in spades but this is a much higher level than Luxman.
6. Far more mid bass than ever before
7. Midrange is more focused dead center than before. It feels as if words are articulated better. You ever heard a song where you can’t make out the words? Nope not here, not with this dac. It will spell out the words for you.
8. Strings sound so real. As a matter of fact, just about everything sounds more real and less “digital”.
9. Smooth but with a great level of detail
10. Music unfolds more “emotion” that my previous solid state dacs could barely pull off.


Overall, this dac gets a 10/10 from me. It has more of what I always wanted to hear through my Neoliths (holographic sound and soul) and has really turned my music upside down (in a good way). In the past I praised Luxman for keeping me on the couch for hours and hours due to its musicality and engaging sound, but this dac is Luxman’s father.
I’d buy this dac 10 times again after hearing it in my system. It’s a keeper just like my ref10. There have been 2 components that I’ve always loved throughout my journey: Luxman components and the audio research preamplfiers. Well, now make it 3 with this dac. 
 I also give a ton of credit to my neoltihs for making it so much easier for me to detect the changes in sound. The massive wall of sound makes a deaf person hear changes in sound as components are swapped out. I don’t think I’ve had a speaker that’s made things this easy.


***************EXTREMELY IMPRESSED WITH THIS DAC *******************


Tomorrow I will give my initial impressions of this Dac as a preamp using my wireworld silver 7 single ended cables (will buy platinum 8 single ended cables next week)

Stay tuned
i agree with you viber. That said, there are components that you don't get to immediately feel/hear what they are doing until you sit down for a few hours. 
i have ran across components where i sat down and i did not feel like "wow" right at that moment, but rather hours later. i feel like there is a slight adjustment that your brain/ears need to go through in order to tell you the full story of what is being heard. 
Alright boys, grab your popcorn and sit down. Here are my thoughts on the lampizator pacific using wireworld silver 7 single ended cables connected to my block audios:

1. More bottom end than using the ref10 in the middle
2. Great level of detail & clarity
3. Long decays from instruments
4. A little more (a tad more detail at times)
5. Smaller soundstage than ref10
6. Same level of musicality as if using the ref10 in the middle
7. No fatigue regardless of how hard you push the volume 


These are my impressions of the lampizator with my "ok" rca cables. This is why i want to try the platinum 8 or gold 8 interconnects this week to see how that enhances it. The ref10 adds a much larger presentation, it tones down the extra bottom end which helps my neoliths not get too "bottom end" happy. The ref 10 essentially adds the finishing touches to the lampizator dac. It adds a much larger presentation with deeper soundstages plus more volume of course. That said, IF I DID NOT HAVE the ref10, i would be perfectly happy using the lampizator as my preamp. It is truely amazing as a preamp and possibly beats many many preamps out there. I am not done with the lampizator as a preamp. I still need to try different cables and see how much closer i can get to the ref10 (if that is possible).

techno,
Once again, you are going off of the "he said/she said" mentality.
what experience DO YOU HAVE with dacs driving amps directly?
Reading a book doesn’t make you brighter than the person who knows how to do job because they have hands on experience. In fact, experience is preferred over someone who does not have any, but has a degree. It is the same here.... no different.. This is not my first rodeo trying to get a dac to sound better than my preamp. i tried doing this with the ps audio directstream back when i owned it. It never sounded better than my preamps at that point in time. I wish this dac killed my ref10 so i can do exactly what you said i should do: sell the ref10. Why would i want to have that money strapped in my system if the dac was murdering my ref10?? Believe me, i would love for this dac to do just that (beat my ref 10), but right now it is not doing that.
Jonaiken,
this is exactly how I feel about my ref10 right now and you have one hell of a dac too. I’m not going to lie, I would not mind if my Lampizator bested my ref10 so I can sell my ref10 but that’s not the case.... there’s a reason why I can’t get to sell my ref10 and I’ve parted ways with other incredible equipment such as the Rowland 925s, Luxman components, etc etc.  
Musical fidelity titan has arrived. Can’t get it out of the box by myself. Power supply chassis is 170 lbs. wireworld gold 8 and platinum 8 rca are in the house as well.
This weekend I’m having a shoot out of the block audios vs musical fidelity titan and lampizator (with new better rcas) vs ref10.
Who’s in ?
Musical fidelity titan: the largest, biggest, most expansive soundstage I’ve ever heard in my life. 3 football fields put together. Devastating swings of air like a tornado in Oklahoma. 
I’ll go on record and say it now: musical fidelity titan has the biggest, boldest soundstage I’ve ever heard. If you lack soundstage, forget Every amp I’ve listed here. Musical fidelity is #1 in terms of soundstage height, width. Enough said.
this type of discovery makes me happy because I get to experience what some low key brands are capable of while the entire crowd of audiophiles are investing in the dumb brands that I won’t go into naming in order to not hurt anyone’s feelings but you all know what Amplifier brands I’m talking about.
Stay tuned for more impressions of this monster of an amp. This amp makes me feel sad for those of you who are stuck with boutique names that are praised by magazines. It is such s sleeper of an amp that makes your jaw drop. If it only had a name plate of a mainstream brand on it then it would be flying off the shelves...
Because musical fidelity is not moving product at the same rate as the boutique super hero brands do. I can sit here and retire with what I’m hearing right now and not miss any other amp I’ve owned. Does this mean this amp bests other amps I’ve owned? I guess you’ll need to keep reading my thread to find out...
Lol thanks jafox. 
Honestly, I wish each and every one of you could come over this weekend to be part of this shootout. You all would find your own songs in tidal which you are familiar with and play them so that you know what sounds good and what doesn’t. I think everyone would go home thinking what their move would be. I’d even tell you all to bring any amp you want to hear so you can compare. 
i Was going to hold this but I’ll share it. I’ve started to negotiate a pair of pass labs best amps: xs300.
No im not buying them for 20k dollars. They are 85,000 dollars and would be the most expensive amps I’ve owned. Not sure if this deal will come to life but right now the conversation has started and the starting asking price is enough to buy a new bmw. I’ll retire pass labs if I end up owning this amp. I will be able to close the line complete from my wish list. All I want to try are those xs300s. Nothing else interests me from them.
It will take a massive amount of $ to do it but I was born to do this. The last pair of xs300s sold for over 50k. Yes, nothing will come cheap at the level that I’m at. I’m well aware of it.  I will need to sacrifice some equipment (momentum integrated, Diablo, Plinius sa103, etc etc) in order to put this deal together. 
Viber,
no dealer rents xs300s lol. That’s like asking a Range Rover dealer to let you take the car home to see how you like it. Just won’t happen. If the Range Rover leaves the dealer, you’re forking out $100k plus dollars or making $1250 monthly payments. People who come to buy things at this level are assumed TO KNOW about the item in front of them. They know if you are knocking on the door, you know your cars, electronics etc. 
You wanna know how hot the xs150s ran? Ok drive your car for 10 minutes then pop the hood and put your hand over the engine. That’s how hot they get. 
Musical fidelity titan: monster bass control. It sounds as if it’s Godzilla stumping in my room. Effortless power reserves. It plays so dynamically and powerful that it’s scary. Makes me feel as if my oled tv is going to shatter from sheer pressure in the room.
This amplifier is such a fun amplifier guys. It shows you what sheer power can do for your speakers at any volume level. This is one of the top 4 amplifiers I’ve owned. Easily besting anything I’ve owned from pass labs, McIntosh, classe, bhk, Krell, Boulder, simaudio, Plinius. This amp will easily put turbochargers in your music. 
I just tried the Lampizator with wireworld gold 8 cables and connected directly to the titan and well... no it is not sounding better or as good as the ref10. The ref10 adds something more engaging and just more enjoyable that I can’t explain 
Omg I just tried the wireworld platinum 8 rca cables on the dac and it sounds as if I rolled tubes. Wow. I’m in shock how much of a difference this platinum 8 rca made and it’s not even broken in. Wow. I can’t believe how good it is. Insane
Unfortunately I’m not going to gamble with cables. With audio gear I can gamble because people buy components but cables are not easy to sell if they didn’t do what you wanted them to do... you are stuck with them. So unless they easily best these cables here in my home, I won’t go there. 
Ref6 is awesome but the ref10 is oustanding. You have a Mercedes s550 but this is the maybach. 
Lastly, I don’t know but boy oh boy this amp has turned me upside down. Someone told me before I bought the neoltihs that he hated them until he heard them with the 750se arc Monos and that’s when his jaw dropped. Well guys, I think it’s just that the neoltihs crave clean huge power. They are talking to me right now in ways that I didn’t think was possible. 
I like where we are finally headed with this thread. It was about time that we all get excited and curious as well and give their input making things interesting. This page has been one of the best pages in the last month or so. Let’s not get derailed and begin bickering please. Keep things flowing as they are. 

FYI: the ref 10 is no longer 30k. I believe it’s 34k as of last month. This means the used market will also go up. Don’t expect any robberies on ref10s. 

Yes, I don’t want to try another preamp until it can come here and easily beat my ref10. I don’t dare to sell my ref10 or the lampizator pacific until their successors are released. 
So right now, I went back to the block audios and they sound great but they don’t seem to wow me as the titan fidelity was doing earlier today. However, they have been unplugged for over a day and I remember when I first got them I wasn’t impressed. I became impressed until the next day. They sounded totally different so tomorrow night might be a great showdown as well as Saturday. Both amps will be fully warm Saturday afternoon before the shoot out. I want both to at least be idling for a full day. The preamp and dac will be on 3 hours before the shootout begins. My buddies will jot down their impressions on paper and each person will listen alone without anyone else in the room so that nobody is biased. Once each person listens to about 3 songs through each amp (their own selection) then the next person will go inside and do the same until we are all done. I will then collect their notes and see what each person decided and their opinion on the amplifiers. I will be sure to post what each one of them wrote down on paper.



GTAphile,
you’re the 3rd person that confirms what I’ve been saying: ref10 is miles ahead of many preamps out there. It’s almsot a laughing matter when comparing the ref10 to other preamps. It’s a spectacular preamp to say the least. 

Man, the titan amp came and has caused havoc here. What an stupendous power amp. People are spending far more on amps and this amp would stump on most a
amps out there. I hope you are all learning a thing or 2 here. 
Titan has incredible resolution. It has very clear mids that never sounds muffled. My preliminary feeling and a SHOCKING FEELING is that the titan could have more of what the Neoliths need. Again, this is only my gut feeling right now but I won’t know until tomorrow. Stay tuned 
Let’s remember one thing: audio research has always been awesome with many different amplifiers. In my opinion, the Luxman 900u preamp is made for the 900u amp. The one amp that sounded amazing with the 900u preamp was the Rowland 925s.
I still think there’s no better preamp than the ref10. I say it not only because of what it does, but because it works amazingly with many different amps. I said it before, I think only the replacement of the ref10 will be able to unseat my ref10. When I first heard it in my system, it took SECONDS for me to know i was listening to something special. Every other preamp I’ve heard sounds smaller, soundstage Is collapsed and just doesn’t engage you.
Even if some of you might call it “euphonic”, it is one hell of an euphonic experience let me tell you.

ref10 avg street price is around $15,000 but expect that to go up to about $17k now that the retail price went up. Audio research can’t come up with a better preamp. 
Ok guys,
the amplifiers have been on since yesterday morning. The dac and preamp are on idling as we speak until the shootout starts at 3pm. No excuses of anything not being warm enough or ready to go. 
i Don’t believe what techno has been preaching actually exists. I just think he thinks there must be something like what he describes but we are all still hearing crickets. 
+1
i still can’t find a dac that can unseat a top end preamp. Of course if you are using a 2,000 preamp and your dac is 30k, you might want to use your dac as a preamp but if you have a killer preamp, it won’t be easy to find a dac that can beat it. The preamp just digs deeper into the incoming signal and amplifies it even more. It’s like you using your naked eye to look at a diamond and then you put a magnifying glass on and look at the diamond again. You’ll notice far more details with the magnifying glass that the naked eye can’t capture.