My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.
Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.
Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?
Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass. It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.
Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.
Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.
Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.
Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.
Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.
My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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i just listed my luxman 590x integrated. Grab it before it’s gone!! There is none available at this time. 
Ok guys,
i want your gut feeling on this:
luxman 900u Monos/900u preamp
versus 

ref10/krell 700cx

What do you think will sound better with my Sasha 2s? 

I will say I didn’t like pass labs 350.8 with ref 10 and my speakers... too warm sounding and I using silver 7 cables which suppose to make the highs brighter...

give me your thoughts 
Interesting guys. I have a gut feeling that the krell 700cx won’t have the level of refinement of the 900u. I just feel like the older amps had graininess or harshness or just not the same level of resolution. I remember trying the 402e with my ref6 and it was ok but it wasn’t like wow omg. The ref10 and simaudio was spectacular though but not with Wilsons. It was jaw dropping with the salon 2s I owned. 
Well the 700cx will be a great experiment for sure. I plan on using the ref10 with it. 
I couldn’t spend 46k on cables to be honest. I’d be sleeping with the dog outside. Thr ref 10 will be used with the luxman 900u Monos later today and see what happens.  
Some of you had asked me about my thoughts on ayre.  I had owned the qb9 dac and it wasn’t anything especial. Then I got feedback from a well known audiophile and he said his pass labs 350.8 nearly equaled his mx twenty Monos which cost 32k retail and he sold them right away. He felt disgusted by ayre and their highly priced components. 
My gut feeling is that ayre is overpriced and not worth their asking price by any means. They are charging an arm and a leg and they aren’t anything that would make you be like “oh my god”. 
Would I ever try it ? Sure but I won’t pay anything close to their asking price. 
This is WHY I have been a fan of pass labs for a very long time and now I am a luxman fan too. 

Zaks,
please report back here on this thread once you have fired up the Odeon. Please let it be on for about 30 min before you do critical listening. You'll finally see and hear why I said that's the Best multichannel amp hands down. 
As far as the 2301's with the 800d2s, yes they should have no issue driving them AS LONG AS YOU DON'T PLAN TO LISTEN AT LOUD LEVELS. The 800d2 is a very power hungry speaker so keep that in mind. 
As far as preamp, yes i have owned the c1100 preamp and it is indeed the best mcintosh preamp in my opinion. That said, the Mark Levinson no52 which i currently own demolished the c1100. I have said this many times that right now the best preamp i have heard was/is the Mark Levinson no52. The only reason why i have mine listed is because i want to try the Pass labs XS preamp. If the xs preamplifier does not do it for me then i will return back to the no52. 
when it comes to Ayre products, i have not had the chance to hear it because my connections do not carry it. Ayre tends to have decent resale value, but i do believe they are a bit overpriced. i heard great things about this brand, but no i have not had the chance to own it. 
i also have not heard Magtech amplifiers, but based on my findings they seem to be great for electrostatics. 
As some of you might know, i parted ways with my Martin logan Renaissance speakers and made a move to the monitor audio platinum series 2. i have a full monitor audio set up and i am happy to report that when it comes to home theater, i have not heard anything that can best it. It sounds so clean, crisp, clear and detailed that it is almost impossible to think that you can improve upon this. i have rotated different amplifiers with these speakers and they sound great regardless of what you throw at them. 
With that said, i am making my move to some b&w d3 speakers in the next coming weeks and will use my full classe audio amplifier set up so i might be selling my monitor audio set up. Remember, i make moves with my own gear in order to finance my next purchase which sometimes does not necessarily mean that it is an improvement. It is just my curiosity to try something that i was offered at a good deal. 
Ok, so i know many of you follow my thread here and i spent my entire saturday looking through some of the stuff that i need to sell.
You can check my listings and message me if you have any questions.
In addition to this, i also have a couple of items that i have not listed, but i am thinking of selling which include:

1. Classe Sigma SSP processor with upgraded 4k board. This is one good sounding processor that is superior to the CLASSE SSP800 that i owned. Very detailed, and with the upgraded 4k board plus Dolby Atmos on board, you are completely worry free.

2. Sonus Faber Olympica 1 Speakers in black gloss without boxes

3. REL S5 SHO home theater subwoofer in black gloss

4. Emotiva SA250 power amplifiers (3 of them) : Read my review on here about this amp. I keep saying that this is the best stereo amp to come out of Emotiva. I prefer it over the Parasound Halo A21. I have used it with my Mark Levinson no52 preamp and i was really impressed.


Again, if you got any questions about everything that i am selling, please message me. I know some of you that follow my thread have bought equipment from me so they can vouch for me. 
thanks guys !
740p loses to the Luxman 900u but that’s expected. The 740p is amazing for the Money though and if was building a system on a budget then this would be my preamp. 
Audio research ref 6 is amazing as well but tubes tend to need to be matched to the right speakers. For example, the best preamp I’ve heard with panels would be the the reference 6. With conventional drivers then I prefer the Luxman. 
Pass labs xp30 was great too. 
Tomorrow the belcanto Black arrives at my door. My connection said it will destroy the rest of my set ups by miles. I told him the Luxman combo won’t go anywhere unless something else beats it here in my space so he sent me his set up for me to try and even paid shipping. He said that’s how confident he feels that it will just maul everything I have here.
Well, for 50,000 dollars it better make my Luxman combo sound like a bose stereo....
Interesting guys! I have 5 people that are also looking forward to it. 3 are putting money on the Belcanto and 2 on luxman. This will be the best shoot out.  Purely refined solid state vs purely refined class d. 
Ok guys, the initial shootout has begun about 3 hours ago. i made sure i used a sound decibel meter in order to do an apples to apples comparison. Decibel average is 92 db for both systems so both are almost near the same loudness from my listening chair.
First up, the belcanto black using a macbook pro via usb:
Amazing soundstage width and depth. Speakers seem to be larger than life in terms of wall to wall sound they present. Very "clean" sound with lots of "pop" when the song calls for it. I also hear certain details that i never heard before in my music. Vocals are clear, mids are there, bass is there. Nothing is lacking. I am very impressed with the entire presentation and have never heard anything digital sound this good before.

Luxman combo: i used the ps audio direct stream as my source. Immediate sense of smoothness and silkiness with no loss of detail or sparkle. The highs are a tad more refined to my ears. The mids are about dead even and the bass is very close. The belcanto has a tad bigger soundstage.

With that said, this is a very VERY CLOSE race here. I actually have to dig up different material in order to find the differences here which brings me to my next point: if rock is the music selection and you love music to be around 95dbs or so, the belcanto can get just a tad "shouty" but that is not all the time. I love the detail presented by both set ups and their weaknesses and strengths.
The take away from this preliminary shootout is how far class d has come. I mean, i am comparing an outstanding solid state product against a class d product and i am having to pick apart the differences. Granted, we are talking about a 50,000 dollar class d product here. Incredible what i have witnessed here. I still have alot more to listen to before i even decide what my next move will be. i could live happy with either set up to be entirely honest.
I just installed river on my MacBook. I am currently going through my hard drive which sucks because i would prefer to use tidal, but that apparently isn't possible through jriver. 
That said, i certainly hear the instant change in sound from using the ethernet connection. 
By the way i had to give my ears a well needed 2 hour rest after listening for hours. I am getting ready to begin another session between both set ups. 
Here we go!!
30 min into the 2nd session: i find BOTH to be more similar than different. This time around, i am using my hard drive and i find the luxman having more bottom end. This doesn't mean the bel canto isn't pushing down low. I just find the luxman to have one extra layer of "boom" that i am not picking up on the bel canto. 
The mids are again extremely close and similar. The only thing that i occasionally hear is a tad more music in the background of the bel canto. I feel like sometimes there are some instruments that are more obvious to hear on the bel canto from time to time. Instruments that seem to be backstage on the luxman. 
The highs are excellent on both, but i have to give the luxman the edge on here. I feel like the highs on ANY class A component (yes the luxman has some class a) are hard to beat and this would be the hardest thing to equal for class d technology. 

Right now, it is beyond hard to select a winner. It is still early and i still need to hear much more material. So far i call it a draw based on their strengths and it would be much easier to pick a winner if i only heard a particular kind of music. For example, if classic rock was my main music, lynyrd skynyrd, Ozzy, etc then i would pick the luxman because it does not get too "excited" with the highs and it keeps them at bay which allows the songs to come out smoother and without sounding too hard.

However, if i heard more instruments where there is drum whacks, quick transients, dynamics then i'd select the bel canto because it can just hit each note and keep up with the pace of the music without feeling "out of breath". It is crazy how at this level things become harder and harder to pick apart. It almost becomes "the equipment that sounds best with what you listen to". 
Aesthetically speaking, they both look solid and well built. They are just so different yet beautiful to look at. Song after song, it becomes more difficult to choose a winner because right when you think "oh the luxman for sure" then you play the next track and the bel canto blows you away...
That’s exactly what I’ve come to find out. I will be doing more listening today and will give more feedback. I feel as if Both set ups are so amazing that really nothing sounds bad at all. One doesn’t trump the other. The one thing I could see as an advantage is that with the luxman you have the flexibility of changing out your source to something even better which should elevate its performance. The Belcanto doesn’t really allow you to improve its performance unless you try different power cords, cables etc but you’re pretty much stuck with its dac. I’d love to bring the luxman d08u sacd and do more listening. This would make it more of a fair race because now you’d be using an all luxman set up retailing for 48k vs 50k. 
Today I am fully rested and will continue doing more listening so let’s see what I hear today. 
wow, you listen at 55-60db? i don't think i can own a speaker of this caliber if i can only listen at 55-60db. That is almost like no volume for me. There won't be any bass, no oomph, no nothing, but high frequencies and mids. As a matter of fact, i have probably damaged my hearing somewhat from the constant exposure to 87-92 db over the past few years. 

This morning i started with the luxman combo. The belcanto will go next in about one hour. 
i am starting to get an itch to try the 1.2kws and the audio research ref 6 that has been sitting here on my shelf. Heck, i may even try the mcintosh d150 dac with the 1.2kws to see how it sounds. 
Speaking of the 1.2kws... i just made them join the fun and plugged them in to the luxman 900u preamp and here are my initial impressions:
- Huge soundstage
-things seem to pop from top to bottom and left to right
-Easy, smooth, no fatigue
- Massive bass control
-If i push the loudness button on the preamp, it feels as if the entire system got a turbo charger strapped to it. Insane attack

This is an indication of what massive power reserves do to the sound. Things just pop effortlessly without a hint of strain. I feel as if the tweeters project far greater detail with a 3d effect when i strap the 1.2kws.
Here is what i am feeling so far:

1st Place: Mcintosh 1.2kw/ luxman 900u preamp
2nd Place: Toss up between the full luxman combo and bel canto black

yes, as shocking as it sounds, i find the Mcintosh 1.2kw/luxman combo far more dynamic with huge explosion and attack while remaining at ease regardless of where the volume know is. I can’t believe it, but it is winning me over in all aspects. I feel as if the luxman amp does give the presentation more mids, but it does not open up the sound nearly as wide as the mcintosh 1.2kws do. It could be the discrepancy in power between both amps, but i am really happy i have these puppies on hand so i can see what occurs when i go to higher wattage.
The luxman amp is outstanding in terms of refinement and smoothness, but it so happens that my speakers love the extra current from the 1.2kws. I decided to push the pedal to the metal and went to 100 decibels with the 1.2kws and it is as if the soundstage just gets larger with zero compression. 

So I just connected the ref10 to my luxman Monos. This is my preliminary feeling:

huge massive outrageous, all the way to the parking lot size soundstage. 
More relaxed sounding but almost too laid back. 
has all the ingredients but I feel it could be a synergy thing with my Wilsons and ref10. They just don’t seem to get along. I can probably use a bright amplifier at this time in order to throw more highs. It seems as if the sound opens up to the sides but doesn’t come at you. 
No, I used wireworld silver 7. 
That said, I just got done testing a very expensive power cord from a well know brand and I smell snake oil... my wireworld silver 7 powercord smoked it. This was using it with the ref10 which has now settled on my shelves indicating it’s staying. 
I have VERY VERY interesting feedback in regards to the Luxman 900u preamp versus ref10. I will post it when I have time this weekend. 
I Will have an electrician come out to do be 30a outlet.  What’s a good price to do this job ? How do I know of an electrician did indeed do a 30a ? Is there a way to test it ? 
Yes the integrated is amazing. I told everyone but you are always going to have some doubters. 
The diablo is probably going to be leaving my stable. After spending time with the luxman and now the ref10, I still prefer the luxman sound. It’s not a knock against the diablo. 
So this recommended outlet, can it sustain 30a?
i see one on eBay but I want to be sure I’m buying the correct one that will work with the 30a 
I keep saying the 509x is a steal... should be a hell of a lot more money. I haven’t played with the gryphon in the last 2 weeks. It’s like I lost the Desire. 
Yes indeed. The funny thing is that it doesn’t sound loud with the 1.2s and the luxman preamp. Things just get larger and still remain smooth. Zero harshness. 
Someone asked me what I thought of the salon 2s since I’ve owned them. My take?
I cant be more honest with you all than to say they are the worst sounding speaker I’ve owned. No bass in my room and my friend who owned the ultima 2s also said he had no bass. Long story short , the platinum 500iis are the best speaker sounding speaker that I’ve had in my room. The only reason why I like them a little more than my clx is because they have full massive bass attack without a sub. The salon 2s are a perfect example of a great marketing plan by revel aka Harman. There’s nothing about them that made me be like Omg wow. As a matter of fact I passed on 2 different deals thrown at me by several of my connections. I know some hearts will be broken by my statement but I don’t like anything about the salon 2s.
The monitor audio platinum 500iis smoke and pulverize the salon 2s by miles. It’s not even a contest. I had almost given up on the monitor audio platinum line until I brought the 500iis home. They are leaps and bounds ahead of the rest that monitor audio produces.
I also don’t really like sealed speakers because they don’t seem to have the same slam that ported speakers have. Another thing is WHY choose sealed over ported ? You can always plug the ports :)
I also loved the cremonese but I felt my ears preferred panels and then the platinums 500s showed me that there is such thing as a speaker that sounds just like a panel does. The platinums 500iis sound extremely close to an electrostatic but without the drama of having a small sweet spot or hard placement. I don’t see myself getting out of my 500s until either dynaudio releases the new confidence 3 line that will release next December or perhaps a new Revel salon 3 which is said to have berillium midrange drivers.
Again, I speak from my personal experiences here. I give my input because I’ve owned something and not based on what I read. Unfortunately I live in Florida and we have limited exposure to great brands. I wish I lived in Chicago or Michigan or California where I could really get out and try everything.
Thanks guys. Right now, I’ve decided to find a far superior dac than the ps audio direct stream. I suspect that this will make all the difference in my system and elevate my luxman to even greater levels. I am looking into the luxman d08u and also the chord Dave. 
Interesting guys... let me hear anymore feedback on dacs that would improve my ps audio direct stream please... 
Excellent point. That is the sad point about the black system so yes you need to buy it right from the get go.
also, the black system is Belcantos baby and dealers get terminated if they get caught doing deep discounts. If you are looking to buy a used combo then that will be difficult as well because as I said, there are only 26 black systems in the entire country. I am the only one with a black system in Florida. 
Also, Belcanto told me their black system won’t be ever abandoned by them. It will be upgraded as new things come out. For example, the new upgrade for the preamp is 5,000 dollars. This will give you mqa, ability to stream from your iPad, subwoofer output and a few other inputs. It will make it fully compatible with all formats. That’s a nice charge 
This is WHY I am loving the black system. You get all 3 pieces and you’re a DONE.  While the guy next door is trying to mix and match components (aka me), the other guy with the black system is laughing enjoying his set up while you’re trying to play catch up to his. THIS IS what I am starting to love about the black system. It just sounds good all the time no matter what you play. 
I am starting to feel like simplicity is key to enjoy anything in life. The black system
offers just that and I love that about it. No need to be worried about what else can I connect to it to make it sound better etc. I was just connecting my reference 6 and 1.2kws etc, and trying to hear different things and it still didn’t elevate things above the black system. The only downfall about the black system ? A simple one, it’s a huge investment for marginal returns when you’re ready to move out of it. You won’t get anywhere the same return as if you owned solid state pieces because the acceptance isn’t there yet.
That said, there are only approximately only 26 black systems sold in the United States according to the info I received today. This should tell you only very few have had the chance to hear this set up. Let me just say, it’s a game changer and those of you who haven’t heard it should not go hear it unless you want to empty your bank account. 
Yes the preamp is a dac as well. You just need to connect your laptop via usb and then watch your jaw drop. Even pandora sounds like high resolution. It’s crazy how amazing this is. I am two seconds away from buying and selling the rest. I just need to put it down on paper first and be 200% sure 
I’ve had the nh10 before. Sold it and yes it was good but what you need to understand is that the Belcanto does not care where the signal is coming from or what sends the signal. It has its own trickery to turn any digital signal into something amazing. I am telling you that it just needs a usb signal from wherever and it takes it to a whole new level. 
Well guys, I am getting excited and may end up keeping this system. I may end up selling a bunch of audio equipment if I decide to keep the black system because it allows me to sell what I don’t have use for. 
I can’t deny it. The system sounds really amazing. 
I’m now watching a movie in 2 channel mode using the rca inputs on the back of the preamp and feeding the signal from
the Yamaha cxa5100. It sounds outstanding to say the least. Man it’s really something so incredible. 
This hobby is subjective. However, you heard the salons a long time ago prior to the release of platinum 500s. I can bet anything you want that if you bring the salons 2 next to my 500s, you’re going to be very disappointed. I’m an electrostatic guy deep down but I found a speaker that gives me so much of what panels do while having bass and with a big sweet spot. I have no regrets of selling any of my previous speakers. These 500s do everything that I like. I have zero complaints about them other than they are heavy as hell and hard to move around. 
I will decide this weekend what I am going to do. Ideally I’d like to keep the black system and one solid State preamp whether it’s the reference 6 or luxman so that I can continue to try different amps in my future. I already know the luxman preamp is outstanding and what it can do. I’ll need to eliminate most of my other stuff and get down to only the essentials for the future. My back is still very tender and I’m in crazy pain from when I threw my back out about a month ago picking up a 1.2kw off the floor. this is the reason why I don’t think I’ll get the boulder. Too heavy and don’t want to deal with that right now. 

Ok guys, going to bed at 2am... I went from about 9pm through 2am listening to music videos on tv from YouTube and it’s still something I can’t explain how different and organic this Belcanto sounds. It sounds so real at times that i think someone is talking all the way in the kitchen and it turns out it’s the speaker closer to the kitchen giving such a huge soundstage with clarity that feels too real to be true. I don’t see how any of my set ups can improve on this. It’s just too complete of a system to really come close to it. It would take ultra high end sources, amps, cabling etc etc to perhaps best this black system. I have no desire to hear anything else right now. I’m glued to my chair and just keep hearing an insane amount of detail in anything I play that I never picked up on any of my other set ups.
Last comment I wanted to make is that I found myself listening at 85-87db and I totally enjoyed the presentation. I did not feel I needed louder to enjoy. Almost as if the speakers stay alive with lower volume levels and this just started to happen with the black system. It didn’t really happen before or at least it wasn’t as noticeable to my ears. I always felt like cranking things up to 90+ to enjoy but it’s not the case with the black system. Zero need to blast it to enjoy it.
Not only that but the reality is that most of us think our set ups sound incredible but the reality is you won’t know until you do a real a/b comparison in your own home. That’s the only way to really know how good or bad your set up is. 
Correct. Sound is subjective. That said, I still think you should go out there and get yourself a black system haha. It is a game changer for digital and analog. Yesterday was a testament at how amazing it also handles analog signals. Basically, the system will turn an analog signal into digital internally and send it to the amps digitally. This analog signal now becomes purer  and cleaner sounding. Less noise, bigger soundstage, etc. The luxman set up couldn’t do that because it will take the incoming signal and let you hear it as it comes. This is another HUGE advantage of the black system. 
Just got done listening to the luxman for 5 min and here’s what I’m hearing after getting acquainted with the black systems sound signature:
luxman: crazy smoothness and detail. Nice big sound stage. Never fatiguing, never boring, but it loses on instrument separation and sound. It feels as if the black system articulated the music just a tad better. Think of it as the way some people enunciate words Better than others. The Belcanto enunciates better with more background detail. However, I still believe the luxman set up can close the gap if you used a world class dac with it. Things could get extremely close at that point. 
I love the way this black system has me looking at the ceiling, side hallway, and in all directions and me thinking it’s my wife walking upstairs or in the kitchen when in reality it’s the system making me hear things all over the room. 
Thank you denon. I’ll continue to report. 
I will say that I own both right now and yes the Luxman is intoxicating and so are the 900u in mono mode. They are so spectacular to my ears that I dont see anything else I currently own besting it which includes the krell 700cx once I receive it next week. I just don’t see the krell coming in and smoking the 900u in mono configuration. I can see the krell being better in bass control and that’s where it will end. Will I spend a million dollars rewiring my home to see if the krell can beat the luxman 900us? Hell no. I’ll get the 20a outlet  done and a buy a nice  outlet and that’s it. If it doesn’t convince me then it’s going to be sold. 
This whole thing of having to buy crazy cables, circuit breakers, feet, still points, amp stands that dont vibrate, batteries to power components, etc just to edge out another component that needs none
of that is something I wont be a part of. I will buy that component that just needs a good power cord and a standard outlet instead. 
Looking forward to this mark. I want to hear this full throttle. 

Stsrgazer: I love the platinum 500s. They are an incredible speaker leaving me with zero desire to try anything else anytime soon. 
Then perhaps what I hated about the salons was that they are too much of a pain in regards to bass. They are too picky about the room I suppose but let’s be honest here, who has an amazing room here ? Maybe 5% ? The rest of us have to deal with decent rooms so you have to find a speaker that simply wows you in your room. We can’t build a whole new room
to make speakers sound perfect so we bring speakers that sound great given your listening area. For me the salons didn’t have the same HUGE soundstage of the platinums. They didn’t have the same massive slam either. They only had great detail and a big sweet spot but I don’t recall anything else about them that was spectacular.