My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.
Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.
Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?
Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass. It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.
Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.
Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.
Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.
Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.
Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.
My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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i still keep thinking this oppo 205 is a waste... so far, i am still not impressed. It is good, don't get me wrong, but it isn't a OMG improvement over my cheap samsung 4k bluray. I think the oppo 205 is a huge disappointment so far. Maybe they do a software update soon and that makes it come to life because folks i gotta be honest, this oppo 205 is no reference piece. It hasn't squashed my samsung 399 dollar 4k bluray and let's not even get into the conversation of it not having any apps which truly sucks. 
how am i able to afford? well, sometimes i wonder that myself lol.
That said, most people would never know what my first set up was about 8 years ago... you ready for this?

Polk Audio lsi bookshelf speakers
Onkyo receiver
Rotel rmb 1095 5 channel amp
sony bluray player
Epson 3020 projector

Yep... that is where my journey started and here i am 8 years later... That said, i told my wife when i first met her 5 years ago that what she saw in my room would go with me anywhere we moved and that she did not have any sort of input as far as what i could own or couldn’t own. Hell, i had to accept her cat living with us and i am allergic to pet hair!!
So long story short, she does not care. I have 3-5 amps on my living room floor at all times and she does not say anything. i married her and there is no drama there.
I do not know where or when this journey will end. I know that my hearing isn't 100% as it was before this journey started due to the fact that i have played with over 150 amplifiers and sometimes at volumes in excess of 100 decibels so i have a slight "ringing" on my right ear. Yes, i am probably going to be one of those old men that has to wear a hearing aid when i am in my 60s. 
A true fact is that many people do not know this but many DJ's are partially deaf due to the constant volume exposure. I guess it is part of this hobby

Ok guys, i am sad to announce that my XS 150 amps will leave my home tomorrow. i have decided to part ways with them since i have enjoyed my time with them and i now look into other amplifiers that are of interest to me. 
That said, i have locked in a deal on a pair of Mark Levinson no536 reference mono blocks and i just purchased the Audio Research Reference 6 Preamplifier. This will be a very interesting combination since i know Mark Levinson is known for a gorgeous midrange and the Audio Research has some of the most beautiful highs ever. 
Let's see what happens! i am very sad deep down to be honest because the xs amps won a special place inside of me, but i can't get attached to any gear. I need to keep pushing through and continue this journey so i can also share with you of course. 
Due to my need to sell off some of my gear in order to have funds available to purchase a few other things, I have decided to sell the krell, Wilson Sasha 2, pass labs 350.8. They will be very much missed. 

Wow so a lot of you guys are really supportive of my decision to go with the vivid audio g1 and luxman. I only had one person tell me that the g1 might overload my room with bass but I already have a plan in the event that it happens: it is called the Lyngdorf room correction. I plan on venturing with it if I can’t get the bass under control. 
Lumin s1 is in the House. I will be doing a/b comparisons between this and ps audio directstream. We shall see 
Very good. I like your feedback guys. I look forward to these speakers which are scheduled to be here Friday which is my birthday. I plan to unpack them Saturday at some point and begin to play with them. 
Thanks for all the bday wishes guys.  I appreciate it very much. 
I am looking forward to getting the G1s on Friday and make sure they arrive in great shape. 
I am looking forward to the no536 monos and my ref 6 preamp. I just had a gut feeling that they would go well together but we shall see. 
I always liked mark Levinson and had the 533h, 532h, 535h and loved the detail they had. The only tnin I thought they lacked was the oomph torque and punch but I expect these 536s to give me that in spades. 
Wth all that said, I had a chance to listen to the 350.8 and classe cam600s with my 803d3s and I just want to tell everyone that if you own b&w, classe amps are so perfect for them. As much as I love pass labs, I just don't find it a better match than classe is for b&w. Pass and Logans are an unbeatable match though 

interesting!! There is only one review i have came up on and they do say these amps kick like a mule. I am going to be doing a nice a/b comparison between the classe cam600s and 536 monos. I think this will be one hell of a comparison and the b&w speakers seem to really have synergy with both brands. 
Right now, if i were only thinking of going with these b&w speakers, i would have no more use for the pass labs x350.8. It sounds too close to the classe 600s when using b&w speakers. It is almost beyond difficult to tell a difference at low volumes, but once cranked up, the classe monos seems to sound way silkier and more comfortable to listen.  These classe amps seem to sound a bit too laid back with electrostatics and the pass labs do the opposite by sounding very detailed and holographic.  
This has been an excellent experiment for me in terms of system synergy. One additional thing i wanted to say is that the 803d3s do not seem to have much low end oomph, BUT i decided to buy a pair of REL subwoofers and use the special connection they have which allows you to connect them to the power amplifiers and wow. Incredible musical bass and authority. I sold my JL audio Gotham because i just couldn't believe how much musicality these REL subs have. That said, the jl audio gotham was far superior for movies, but it was very hard to dial it in with music. It just seemed to overload the room no matter what i did. The only way it didnt overload the room was if i turned it down, but at that point, why not just get a smaller sub if i have to be almost turning down all the volume of the gotham? 

I should have them end of next week. I have also been told that the hegel h30 is far superior to the pass Labs x350.8. I've heard both stories. I've heard from former owners who said their Hegel is more narrow sounding than their current x350.8 and ive also heard that some say the hegel h30 is more resolving than the pass Labs. 
Not sure if anyone has done a true comparison between both ?
the review for the 536s is on their website. You should be able to find a link for it there. 
Hi,
dianal krall - peel me a grape 
Karen Souza - tainted love 
queen - dsd album with their hits
MJ- thriller dsd album
Adele
sam smith
Tom Petty - mqa 
dire straits 
lynyrd skynyrd
etc

I don’t really do any classical or boring music. Part of evaluation needs to be with music that lifts my soul. I can’t do “elevator music” like what they play at shows. 
My taste varies but above you can see that I try all sorts of stuff. Some music actually was music i never paid attention to before but I ended up liking it due to its spectacular presentation. 
That’s the beauty of having different genres. Each person has different tastes. My personal flavor has to lift me up or get me to tap my feet. 
Lots of wishes here... lol. The vivid audios are spectacular. On another league from
what I’ve owned. The best bass I’ve had in my room by far. It’s a 68k speaker for a reason. They don’t compress, don’t sound congested, never bright, and the most massive soundstage I’ve heard that unfortunately my room can’t accomodate. They need more space than what I’ve given them. They already present a huge picture but when you use the 900u in mono mode, they open up even more but this actually becomes too huge for my room to accomodate. If I use the gryphon 300, things actually sound better because the soundstage isn’t as huge with it so it fits better in my room. Luxman works beautiful with it but it adds even more size to the soundstage which isn’t needed with this speaker. Yes, the speakers have been sold along with my Wilsons. I need a dedicated room for these beasts and that won’t come
for me until next year. I’m sitting too close to the speakers and they need me to go back even more than the 8-9 feet where I sit. 
Once my room is built hopefully next year, I’ll bring back another vivid audio. It’s something quite special. 
For now, and in the interim, I’ll be using a focal Sopra 3 once I lock in a deal. 
The speakers are incredible but my room doesn’t allow me to hear them how they should be heard. I realize in my room I need speakers the size of a Sasha or focal Sopra 3. I could try Alexia but I can’t do anything bigger. 
a connection of mine is praising the magico s5 mk2 constantly. He keeps telling me to just buy them and be done, but magico is Russian roulette in terms of used market value. You never know if you will have to take the bullet to the head in order to get rid of them. Magico is 10 times harder to sell than Wilson. Plenty of dealers have warned me about them. They are good speakers, but take their retail price and split it in half and that should be the price IF IT IS A CURRENT PRODUCT. This means if you buy lets say a 40k magico with a 20% dealer discount, you are paying 32k. Fast forward time about 12-16 months and get ready to take a massive bath in order to unload the speaker. The magico fan tends to be like a "corvette" owner. They buy mint shape, little miles, squeaky clean, full service records, clean carfax, blah blah blah AND THEN you can begin to talk price. That is why magico owners tend to be which is why they end up buying from a dealer instead.
I do want to hear them in my house, but that is an expensive trial. Imagine if i paid a dealer 32k for a pair of magicos that retail for 40k (again, current models) and i don't like the speaker? that would cost me in excess of 5,000-10,000 dollars just to try them because i would have to sell them for about 22-25k to unload them. 
I can’t get a deal that’s worthy enough for g3s and I don’t want to buy a g3 to sell again once I have my room ready PLUS I DONT WANT TO USE SUBS EVER with music unless it’s a Logan with the built in powered woofers. I don’t want to deal with stupid subs for music. I was offered the rel ref 25 for a steal and I passed many times. If I have to use subs with speakers then let it be because I own bookshelf speakers and not massive 250 lbs speakers. To me, a speaker that’s huge and weighs a ton and can’t Push bass out is a complete turd. I can’t understand why some people buy 100k magicos and still need subs. That’s ridiculous unless you have a room the size of a dance club then sure. Else, there’s zero justification for that.
Lastly, why are you surprised that I’m selling them ? They are still in my room
FYI. I also sold the Rowland’s and I still think they are the best amps I’ve owned. How many times have I sold luxman ? 4 ? And I have it again. How about the ref10? 3 times? And I have it again. How are the G1s any different ? I sell my gear all the time... 
Yes guys I have pictures of all my set ups for insurance reasons and also in the event that I decide to create a YouTube channel. I don’t think anyone would doubt my ownership of all the items I talk about....
i don’t blow smoke up anyone’s @ss. 
Focal Sopra 3s are in route to me. I will have vivid audio g1, Wilson Sasha 2 And focal Sopra 3s at once. Very different tier groups in terms of price. 
Lastly, fine I have decided to fish Magico speakers after the focals. Now it’s a matter of finding a killer deal on them. 
I don’t think magicos have the bass I like. I always hear the whole “accurate” argument with magicos. Listen, if I play bob Marley and the bass coming out of the speakers is not deep, tight and controlled then I don’t want those speakers. I doubt that when bob Marley recoded his music he asked to play flat sounding bass.
grey9hound: i did not want to buy anything additional at this time because i am going to be changing speakers. 

Maple: i don't want to venture with anything that is unknown. Remember, i gotta sell this stuff after i am done with i think the only amplifier i have held on to the longest has been the simaudio 860a which is still in my garage. 

Thieliste: yes the 900u in mono mode are just brutally huge sounding. They have more bass, more soundstage, more depth than using a single one. This actually is an excellent question because the vivid audio g1 speakers DO NOT like a single 900u. They swallow power like it is water. They sing amazing with 900u monos though!
TECHNO DUDE; I don't think i will have the wilson audio sasha 2s here when the focal sopra 3s arrive next week. That said, i did spend plenty of time with the wilsons to remember their sound very well. 
BREAKING NEWS:   I have just struck a deal with a connection of mine. I have finalized a deal on a pair of magico S5 Mk2 speakers with the mcoat finish. They will land here a week from this Saturday. This connection has been telling me for months that the magico will end my speaker search. He went ahead and also suggested the s5 mk2 for my room because he has done successful installs in the past in rooms of my size. I am pretty happy with the deal and can't complain. This becomes the second most expensive speaker i have owned (Vivid Audio G1 being the most expensive speaker) and now we will be able to really see what magico is all about. 
My amplifiers will be the Gryphon 300,  Ref10/simaudio 860a. Source is esoteric k1 dac/sacd. I am highly excited because reviews praise the s5 mk2 and a few of my "audio advisors" have said that the magico is a great speaker. I hope they DO NOT disappoint. 
Will i even open my sopra 3s? we shall see... i may not even open them if the magicos blow me away. 
Alright guys, i wanted to share with everyone that i had purchased a Hegel H30 power amp to do a true a/b comparison against my 350.8 pass labs and so it turns out that the same seller had the amp i had been looking for...  I tried hard to find this amp and finally found it. The LUXMAN M900U. I have heard OUSTANDING things about this amp and i also decided to pull the trigger on the matching LUXMAN C900U preamp. Next week it will be a serious amplifier comparison and preamp comparison since i should have the audio research reference 6 next week. it will be one hell of a comparison and several trusted ears have told me the luxman combo will demolish anything else i have owned (including the xs150 amps) in terms of detail, finesse, depth, soundstage and smoothness. I am looking forward to this and can't wait to see what this amp can do. Very excited!
I sold my 1.2kws... now it’s time to decide if I should get the boulder 2060 and my ref 6 versus my luxman combo. Damn it... two people have said no don’t do it because I hate the boulder then I’ll take a very long time to sell since it’s a 250 beast that few want to deal with. I’ll go ahead and ask a few people here and see what the feeling is. Ok here we go, how many of you think the luxman combo WOULD BEAT the boulder 2060/ ARC REF6 preamp combo ? 
Let’s see guys !! 
Today I played the vivid audio g1 with the gryphon 300
and wow it sounds awesome. Just incredibly big and detail with tons of slam. I was almost like “ do I really want to sell the G1s? Will the magicos beat these monsters in my room ? “  

the vivid audio g1s have such a huge soundstage that my room literally gets overwhelmed by the massive amount of sound. For instance, when i use the luxman 900u in mono mode, they almost sound like they have an "echo" from the large picture of the sound and because i am 8 feet away from them. When i switch to an amp without such a big sound such as the diablo 300, they sound better because the soundstage is not as huge so it kinda "fits" better in my room. I am trying to force a big bald eagle inside a parrot's cage. You can't do that. They need more room to spread their wings. The vivid audio g1's have an insane amount of detail with bottom end, but my room takes away from the potential of the speakers. It hinders the entire sonic panoramic view that these speakers are capable of. I also don't want to just shove them in crates and let them sit there for over a year in my garage and have the florida heat cook them. 
They are the best speaker i have owned. No contest against my wilson sasha. 
W1000i: I do not yet. 

Update: the gryphon 300 with vivid audio g1 sounds inf@incredible. I can’t believe how full sounding and detailed. Just blown away. I am here listening and can’t get off the couch. The gryphon sounds better than the ref10 with krell 700cx with my vivid audios. This wasn’t the case with my Wilsons. 
ok Techno_dude... i wil let you respond to mauidj since you seem to understand my thinking fairly well. Or do you want me to respond to him that question that has been already answered in previous posts? Guido, you can also chime in and respond to Maudj since you also get what i am doing or have been doing on this thread for the last few years...
Just give you a a little context Mauidj, you either hate or love my thread. You either are in on this along with everyone else like techno_dude, guido, and many others that i can't recall now or you aren't... either way, it is totally fine :) 

Ron: this is why I just bought the magico s5 mk2. :) 
they will be here in 9 days. 
Greyhound: I guess I can’t speak about what you’re suggesting because you clearly have more experience with that piece. I guess maybe I’m just a bit iffy about room correction unless it’s just to fix bass issues. 
Greyhound, it’s no longer being made. Now they include it in their preamps and integrated which I have zero interest in buying. McIntosh has it but I don’t want to buy anything from them unless a crazy deal comes my way. Lyndorf retired the stand alone room correction. I suspect something better is coming. 
Dep14: I love the way you responded. It’s clear and straight to the point.

Thezaks: I thought about it but I’ve got too much front end right now. I don’t want to bring any more amps and preamps until my Magico speakers arrive next Saturday.
I have been in talks with my connection in regards to cabling and he said MIT cables is what Magico uses to test their speakers. Maybe I go the MIT route someday but I need “seat time” first with the speakers and my components before I began tweaking. I need to get my ears used to the sound of the speakers so I can later pick up the differences of any changes I make as I go.

I was told magico sounds amazing with gryphon and constellation so I may explore. Luxman has been retired from my system since I had to trade all the pieces in as part of my deal with the Magicos.
I will say something to you all: the simaudio 860a will come out of the box and begin to play again and it has become the amp I’ve held on to the longest. Why? Because I remember the day I connected it to the ref10 and the revel salon 2s. Wow it was insane how that combination sounded.
Jafox: i concur with you. I wasn’t feeling the luxman leaving me but I felt that I had a great opportunity to try magicos so I did. Sacrifice a thing to try something that could be a game changer. 
Lets see what happens... 
lastly, I can always go back to luxman if I decide to. I know that magicos sound excellent with gryphon so lets see what happens. 

Guido:  AMEN to your explanation :) 

I am here blasting my gryphon 300 with vivid audio G1's and with a drink in my hand i am wondering, " why am i buying Magicos if this combination sounds OUTSTANDING ?" 
WELL, it is my journey and i have not decided WHEN it will come to an end. 

Do you guys have ANY IDEA how many people have messaged me here wishing they were my neighbors? Why? because they would also love this journey with me. They would love to sit here and listen and listen and then change stuff out on the fly and see what happened to the sound and take notes and learn from it. It is such a blessing in many ways to be able to do this and as often as i do. I am thankful for the wife of course as well :) she is a keeper !
Guido: i will look into it. Thanks for the article. 

Mikepaul: no I did not cancel it. They will be here on Tuesday. Then the magico will be here next Saturday. 
Ok guys so 2 of my good connections are having a big battle with me. One claims the Focal Sopra 3 will embarrass my Magico s5 mk2. He said the sopra 3 with bhk 300 amp And ref10 preamp is by far the best he’s heard for the money. He’s also a YG dealer and Magico dealer. He said the Focal Sopra 3 will make the magico sound thin and without any character.
On the other hand, the dealer who sold me the magico is also a focal dealer and has had sopra 3 in his room as well and said they were just ok but it’s a mid fi speaker. He said the magico is a superspeaker and it will kill the sopra 3.
Long story short, I will have both but I don’t know which I’ll like best.
What are you guys’ thoughts on what they are saying? Again both are magico and focal dealers so they both know both speakers rather well. I will say I’m a bit nervous about opening the focals and loving them. I may have to just wait until the magicos arrive first. 
So what mikepaul said is what I am thinking. Auditioning speakers for 10 min doesn’t really tell you the full story. Hours of listening sessions will give your ears a better impression of whether you love or hate the speakers. I will see which pair I can live with the longest and then report back. The Wilsons leave tomorrow and then the vivid audios a few days after. 
i got my discount on the sopras man. Right now, nobody has decided to respond or give me their input on the argument from both dealers huh? 
one dealer says sopra 3 will kill magico s5 mk2 and the other one said not a chance in hell. 
thoughts?
Thanks techno dude and tomcy6. I believe that whichever speaker I end up selecting will be more because it behaves better in my room rather than one being ten times better then the other. Both are excellent speakers but I believe a matter of taste and room friendliness with one of the two pairs is how the winner will be selected. Which  one will it be? We shall see..
ok guys, i received the luxman gear last friday and fired it up right away. My initial impressions:

Luxman 900u preamp & amp: MIND BLOWING. DID I SAY MIND BLOWING? I MEANT F@CKING AMAZING!. 
I have yet hear a better midrange from ANY of my amplifiers. That said, let's not forget i did not get to own the pass labs xs preamp so i never really knew how those amps could have sounded with the matching pre. I only used the mark levinson no52 reference. 
I am willing to say that THESE ARE THE BEST 150 WATTS i have heard in my life. I did a shoot out yesterday between the luxman combo vs the mark levinson no536s and classe cam600s which i also connected to the luxman preamp and the classe came dead last in this shoot out. It was either not a good match with the preamp or it just simply got outclassed by the rest of the amps. 
I had several people come over and we all listened to a couple of songs and i switched between the luxman, classe, and mark levinsons (no pass labs yet) and everyone had the luxman ahead. They all said the same thing: the luxman puts the artist right in the middle of your living room. They also said the luxman sounded "cleaner" and just more of an engaging feeling. 
Anyhow, the luxman has officially retired my classe cam600s (will be up for sale soon) and now i am listening to the pass labs, but i want it to be playing for a full 2-3 hours before i do a serious listening session. That said, the little bit of A/B that i did after just one hour of having the pass labs playing, the luxman IS STILL ahead by displaying SPECTACULAR MIDS & HIGHS. Let's wait and see if the pass labs x350.8 closes the gap when i come back in 2 hours and try it again. BIG SHOCKER GUYS! The luxman combo has really hit one out of the park from the get go for me so far. Let's wait and see what transpires when i bring out the levinsons out again today. I need to do a lot of a/b comparisons before i give my final verdict. 
Hi guys, 
right now i own the luxman 900u amp and preamp as well as the audio research ref6 preamp and gs150 amp. That said, i am contemplating purchasing the boulder 2060 so i can use my reference 6 with it and see if it can indeed best my luxman 900u combo which i have praised here for a few months. However, i don't buy things that i am not 100% sure of because it would be one expensive test. I have access to a boulder 2060 that i can have in my hands tomorrow, but what if i don't like what it does? i could potentially be talking about losing a couple of thousand dollars to try it and not to mention the back breaking session to go along with it. I have attempted to see of my connection will let me audition it in my home and even offered him 250 dollars to let me hear it here in my home and he said he does not want to deal with the hassle and the lifting required. He said if that amp leaves, it is not coming back so hey i understand it. That said, i love everything about that amp when i see it, but i can't say that i am going to for sure love it. The luxman amp is intoxicating at many levels and it only weighs 100 lbs.
Time will tell...
As far as the lumin s1 vs the ps audio direct stream (red cloud installed), i will say i heard the lumin s1 edge out the ps audio when i was using the expensive 16,000 dollar wireworld speaker cables, but once i went back to the silver eclipse 7 speaker cables i felt like i could not tell them apart anymore. It was harder to pick up any difference between the lumin and the ps audio through my luxman set up when using the silver eclipse 7 speaker cables. 
Anyhow, today i decided to just plug in the Reference 6 after not using it for a month or so and man it sounds so incredible. I really feel like both preamps are spectacular, but it really depends on what is it that you are using them for. Both uncover different things within the music and both are amazingly smooth and detailed. The only thing i would say the reference 6 is a pain about are those tubes that need to be swapped out and that it does not fit in standard rack spaces and it runs very hot. The luxman doesn't have any of those issues. 
No offense taken mrdecibel. See I don’t mind when people articulate their argument like you just did. I just despise it when they come into MY JOURNEY and attack me. I get it, this isn’t for everyone and that is fine. I’m doing this for me and for those of you that want to keep following me. 
That said guys, the speaker journey is a hell of a lot more difficult than changing amplifiers. I spent 5 hours yesterday packing up the G1s and Wilsons. I had to take breaks because the Florida heat and humidity right now is crazy. I am not sure I can keep trying more speakers due to
the massive effort required to pack and unpack plus me needing an extra hand to
do this. With amps, it was mostly me lifting and packing. Not with speakers. I Can’t do it alone. 
I do want to find a speaker that can improve on what I’ve heard so far in my room. I want to like either the magico or focals. 
Guido: yes I’ll break in the focals for sure. They deserve a fair shot. 
i have now listed my Mark Levinson 585 integrated at a great price. Grab it while you can!
alright guys, the negotiations have started with the boulder 2060. If we reach an agreement, the boulder 2060 might be the first amp i will begin to review this year. Stay tuned... 
hi thezaks,
i told you the Odeon is amazing. It is one incredible amplifier and you can be sure THERE IS NO BETTER MULTI CHANNEL AMPLIFIER out there. NONE.

Anyhow, i have an update for everyone. I received the audio research reference 6 today and have been listening to it for the past 2 hours and my "preliminary" findings are these:

1. I am not impressed by the audio research reference 6/mark levinson no536 combination
2. The audio research has great low end punch and the mids are certainly there, but the highs are not anywhere as detailed as the highs that i obtain from the luxman 900u preamp.

That said, i can begin to form an opinion that is certainly premature and unless things start to somehow "change" in terms of sound over the next few days, i can say that the luxman 900u amp & preamp is OUTSTANDING to say the least. It just sparkles beautifully without any sort of harshness. Maybe i have been "poisoned " by it?
Anyhow, if i had to make a call and decide on something tonight, i would take the luxman pieces ALL DAY LONG over the levinson amp and audio research.
What i will be doing next is to use the audio research with the pass labs 350.8 and luxman amp and see if the reference 6 preamp sounds better with these amps than the luxman preamp does.

I don't like to admit it, but the Japanese hifi gear i have here is shockingly killing the all American competition. The only amp that i can say has put up a fight has been the pass x350.8. 
I actually had the wife blindfolded last night and had her listen to all 3 amps, at the same volume, same song and after her first round she said "amp # 3" does not sound good at all. It lacks sparkle and detail and well amp # 3 was the levinson... 
i then proceeded to play the luxman and pass labs again in order for her to choose the winner and she said she couldn't because  they sound too close that it is hard to tell. I think there is some truth to that because you have to find songs where you can hear the finesse of the Luxman. I personally find the Luxman more organic and it feels as if it separates things a bit better than the pass labs. 
Also, one thing to add is that the pass labs amps takes a full day to hit its stride while the luxman begins to sound incredible within one hour of playing. That is certainly something to think about it. If i turn both amps on after being off for a few days, the luxman kills the pass labs. The pass labs closes the gap a day later though.