So Geoffkait, in your scientific estimation then, is there actually intact one atom thick sheets of Graphene in there somehow that survive when shmeared and connections then made or something else, some other form of carbon perhaps? If Graphene, how might that be pulled off?
Also I am still interested in knowing of any satisfied customers who paid the full $299.
If only a little is needed, why not provide less for lower price? That would probably help sell to more especially those who might be on the fence about shelling out $300 for way more than needed. Should also be more profitable that way as well I would think. Most first time users of a product, which is pretty much everyone at this point, do not go straight for the deluxe size.
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I traded a customer for a small dollop and also got a free sample from perfectpath. Was that wrong of me?
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I split the purchase with three others. No way I needed all that comes with $300. I suggest doing this! |
Did everyone vouching for this product pay full $299 list price, no subsidies or free samples?
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Day eight for most of my system was yesterday. I had to unplug the system for a day because of thunderstorms. Before plugging and turning on everything, I treated my Uptone Audio JS-2 ps dc cable and pc the umbilical cable between my Ayon Audio S-5 ps and Network Player/DAC/Preamp. Now my entire system is treated except the electrical panel. I have all SR Galileo UEF cables, Atmosphere XL4, Blackbox, ACB SE, and 40 plus HFTs. This sounds like entirely different system. This TC is exactly what my system needed to sound it’s best. I treated my other system with the OLED, TiVo, and Focal Soundbar. I definitely see better colors, and a brighter and a more resolving picture.
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I treated the pins on the tubes in my DAC and amp yesterday and today. I have about a grand in NOS and modern tubes, so I was a little nervous, but took the plunge.
No fireworks, and I’m glad I did it. I was surprised at how much improvement there was, pretty much right away. I’m looking forward to hearing what 8 weeks brings. If you’re thinking about treating your tube pins, I say go ahead, it’s worth it. You shouldn’t have any problems, as long as you’re careful.
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As I’ve oft mentioned on this thread, I’ve painted the teeny tiny little pins on both ends of my rather expensive Audioquest Carbon HDMI Cable (controlled for directionality, thank goodness). I actually used the applicator brush that was provided, no problemo. In fact it worked better than a toothpick that I tried first. It all depends on the lay of the land. It’s not difficult at all for the Carbon HDMI connectors but I imagine there could be big troub in Little China for ribbon connectors, though I would also do ribbon connectors if I had any. Best not to drink too much coffee prior to applying contact enhancer to HDMI connectors or ribbon connectors. ☕️
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@grannyring With good lighting and magnification I find it relatively easy to see into the terminals. The issue is finding a good applicator for that "wet work." The supplied brush is too large. |
@dgarretson
Makes sense. I would like to treat the actual connector tabs, but they are too deep into the connector to do cleanly.
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@tomfoolery
Thanks for sharing. What is interesting to me is how my own system sounds different from day to day or even daypart to daypart. This is real for all of us as our mood changes, level of general physical fatigue, emotional or stress factors etc... Add to that humidity levels from one day to the next and we have yet to even talk about quality of AC and how that changes hour to hour etc.....
Just too many factors to really make a one moment in time conclusion on any system. One must live with a system long term before they can really accurately detimine long term sonic changes.
Goodness, we also have poor sonic memory in an A/B testing situation with just minutes between cuts, never mind days or weeks.
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Yes. I could have treated the tabs but didn't need to. The 10awg bundle of ten 20awg silver strands is divided at the termination into two twists of five strands each. That "fork" of two wires slips nicely into both sides of the Furutech fitting, so that it clamps evenly on both sides of its screw. With just five strands in a twist, it was possible to work TC fully into each wire bundle without unfurling it. That's a good thing, as it avoided the potential metal fatigue of untwisting and re-twisting the thin 20awg strands. |
I heard a system that had been treated weeks ago with TC which I really liked previously. My gut take on it: the mids to highs where slightly more vivid, the low level information which I thought was very good seemed deminished, His system was very neutral before and had “darkened tonally” very slightly! Your mileage may vary! |
I assume you pasted the wire conductors at the tips as you could not easily paste the actual Furutech connector tabs. |
I was slow on the upswing, as the memory of removing dried, caked-up Walker SST from the inside of tube sockets had been a kind of audio PTSD. Learning that TC doesn’t age badly like that, together with good advice from Agon member audiotweak, encouraged me to try it. This weekend I began with applications inside DIY power cords at the compression fit between stranded 10awg silver conductors and Furutech FI-48 and FI-50 plugs. These cords have a significant impact on the sound of a modified Pass Labs XP-25 phono stage and a Hynes SR-7 linear power supply with multiple DC rails into a rubidium master clock, a SOtM Ethernet-to-USB converter, SOtM USB regenerator, and a Merlin BBAM line-level bass equalizer. Out of the chute there is a richer more organic presence region, expanded LF, and sweeter treble with less etch. Images are denser and more embodied. All good things. I’ve been recording vinyl to DSD on a modified Tascam DA-3000, and am always on the look-out for improvements to this unit. With the help of a desktop magnifier lamp and a pointy, hard cotton make-up applicator, TC was sparingly applied to internal fuses and the many pins of cables and connector blocks inside the Tascam. Most of these distribute AC and DC power to the PCBs. If you’re using TC on power cords, at least take a look at treating any connectors inside electronics from the IEC to the transformer. I wouldn’t attempt this with flat ribbon cables, as TC will smear between their tiny parallel traces. The improvement in the digital recordings was immediate, with effects similar to the power cords. Next I’ll try treating low-level signal from cartridge pins to phono stage. Excellent product! |
Yeah, I left TC on everything else and it sounds wonderful. |
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Pasting the tube pins has been a nice upgrade for me. I did the pins on my phono cartridge also. Haven't experienced any degradation as a result ... just more clarity in the system.
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Day 12
Just little tiny update
At first I wasn't sure but last couple of days, I thought SQ got little bit dull. Hmmm....and listening more carefully with songs I know and came to conclusion that it did lost some bite on upper frequency.
You see, I pasted the small amount on tip of the pin (positive) on the RCA interconnects. I wasn't sure if it would help or hurt the sound, so why not try it. If I Don't like it, remove it. And I didn't liked it, so I wiped off all TC from the pins and touched up outside of the Jack. With that, upper frequency is back and sounds wonderful again. Go figure.
If anyone else used TC on the RCA pins, I wouldn't mind hearing what you think. Maybe It's just me and my system but I wouldn't use it on the interconnect pins. I will just use it on female (negetive) side.
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Eight week update. The speaker cables, CD player, power supply umbilical and it’s power chord were the first part of my main system to hit the eight week application anniversary. The rest of the power chords and the power conditioner came seven days later so I will report back next week to report on the impact, if any.
As for what I am hearing, it is impressive for what I paid for this product. I am enjoying better clarity on notes playing from bass through the treble regions. The PRaT has not been negatively in the least. This was a concern from the beginning but not stated.
One of the most surprising and enjoyable characteristics of the musical presentation is the three dimensional quality of the soundstage.
The other thing that has been developing over the last eight weeks has been how much more realistic voices and instruments have become. Crescendos are more fully portrayed. This definitely keeps the tempo more naturally flowing. I am definitely listening longer without fatigue, since my my brain is not trying to fill in the musical blanks.
I could say more, but what has been reported lately would be repetitive.
Enjoy the music,
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Same here Tuffy. Even after all this time, the system continues to improve. I felt compelled to call Tim tonight to tell him that I thought I had another breakthrough during last night's listening session. My friend Robert was over and he was amazed. The music was so relaxed in a beautiful sort of way ... a lot like live.
Please continue to report your results ... especially interested in your 4 and 8 week experiences. Thanks ....
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I would have reported this earlier in the week but didn't feel so well. After the 8th day of applying TC to my Teo Ultra Interconnect, Silnote Anniversary speaker cable and SR blue fuses (in my hybrid modded Bada Purer 3.3SE integrated amp) the soundstage developed great depth and became much more three dimensional. Background singers were now much more delineated. The sound just seems so much more natural and beautiful now. I feel as if I am now within the music, as it seems to kind of envelop me. I'm still a little under the weather but I honestly am shocked at how good my system sounds. The previous week I had only pasted the pins on the 2 6922 tubes in my amp. The next day of listening there was a definite big jump in sound quality from just this application alone.
I will report back after listening this weekend (only time I get to listen). I am not expecting much change as my system already sounds way beyond what I ever expected without adding expensive components. For reference the rest of my system is Hales Transcendence V speakers. SACD/CD player is The Upgrade Company Signature modded Oppo 95 and Core Power Technology 1200 balanced power conditioner. I just thought of this as a good anology, I think, to the change in sound these past few weekends. Its as if you are looking at a garden of flowers in early spring and watching them continue to grow and bloom as spring passes into summer. The sound just blooms.
Yes Frank, I used to think fantastic was a bit much for the description, in the thread title of this TC tweak, but not anymore. This stuff would appear to be a real game changer! Last Sunday's listening experience was literally jaw dropping!
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I just had him completely refurbish and upgrade a Thorens TD-160.
Nice table, George. |
Hi Tommy, The email I sent to you was the first I have sent on A'gon, which is to say I am not very familiar with their system. I had checked where I thought I would see if you responded and now see it was the wrong place and just read your email. Will contact you next time I am heading North and would love to hear your system. I do get to Burlington occasionally. By the way, I have an incredible person who repairs gear in Montpelier if you ever need his service. His prices are totally fair compared to the few times I used other local shops and his work first rate. I just had him completely refurbish and upgrade a Thorens TD-160. George |
jetter,
Did you get my reply to your PM from a while back? You are welcome to come hear my system, if you get up Burlington way.
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If I’m not mistaken that would fall under the purview of the Federal Communication Commision. I await their knock on the door.
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Teleportation tweak? Now we're talkin'! |
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mapman
Geofkait you sound way more excited than me. At least about this particular topic. Whatever turns you on.
Yeah, Moops, I’m freaking out! 😬 Nice of you to add your usual 0 cents. By the way if you spell my name correctly the system will actually auto notify me. Imagine that.
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I was prompted to look up the health effects of graphene by a research scientist friend who is not an audio geek, and simply wrote about what I found. Tim states it's NOT a graphene product (except that it contains graphene), and it's not dangerous except to him at a certain point in the manufacturing process. So it's only possibly dangerous. Comforting. |
Geofkait you sound way more excited than me. At least about this particular topic. Whatever turns you on.
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Leave it to moopman to get all excited. Freak out! Is this the little old ladies’ sewing circle? Hey, Moops, I’m worried about you. Have you checked the water where you live?
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Oh, geez, what’s next? A federal investigation of Quicksilver Gold, Nanotech CD treatment, WA Quantum Chips, Intelligent Chips ( one can never be too careful when handling artificial atoms!) or the Teleportation Tweak, which can not (rpt not) be reversed, just to let you know. Can we expect CHILD WARNING labels on Marigo Dots, Golden Sound Acoustic Discs, Silver Rainbow Foil. OK, now you can Freak out.
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@jetter That's awesome! Lucky you, you are smack dab half way between me and tommylion, Tommy has extended a invitation to
hear his treated system, and your more than welcome here as well!
BTW do not sell your system short, all systems benefit from TC!
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Thank you for the response Tim. |
I feel so much more reassured that our trusted local expert in all things audio occult Geoffkait is not concerned about this.
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Grannyring, your misreading Geoff's typically silly posts. I was saying I wouldn't worry about using TC, only worry about cutting up the two dimensional sheets of graphene. Geoff is arguing with me by repeating what I stated in the first place. Then going off on a typical geoff look at how much I know rant. |
Good morning everyone! I have not checked in in a couple of days,
thread was very quiet. Big thank you to the big bad wolfgarcia for
waking up the thread, and the attack on my integrity.
First I would like to say this is not a graphene product! Graphene is only
one small component! The only possible danger is to me during the manufacturing process, and only to a certain point.
I would never ever release something, that would potentially be a health hazard period! Mr wolf you can huff and you can puff but...... well you know the rest!
Timothy Mrock
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I got some on my fingers and I wiped off on my jean and ate pizza afterward without washing my hands. I was hungry. |
Use latex gloves when applying and forget about it. I doubt anyone is going to be sniffing dust from connector blades on power cables, etc if they like to change cables often after this paste sets up.
Me thinks Wolf has a great imagination and is laughing his butt off. |
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Does music need to be played to effect the break-in of TC?
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Yes it did get it on my hands . Bad timing as out of the blue I needed two cortizone shots. One in each knee due to a sudden onset of knee swelling and pain. Strange. No way to link with TC.
Need to hear from Tim. This topic is a HOT button for me and I expect answers beyond ignorance and not sure. No room for not sure answers here. |
Don’t freak out. Research. http://www.thegraphenecouncil.org/?page=GrapheneToxicityYour friend and humble scribe, who by the way plays tennis with a Graphene racket. Should I freak out and wash my hands after playing now? 😛 Did I understand you to say you already got some TC on your hands? You said it “does get on your hands” as if it did already. If so did you have any effects? Did you get sick? Any itching? 😳 I’m imagining a scene in Alien Covenant.....Tim has been handling this stuff for years. Does he glow in the dark? |
Yes we should wash our hands and common sense should always prevail. Still does not answer the question of toxicity and impact if on your skin. Can it be absorbed into the skin? How long on your skin before an issue? Is this stuff even toxic on the skin?
No reason for over reaction here, but it is certainly reasonable to ask the designer what testing, if any, has been done regarding safety and toxicity. |
I just responded to your question in my previous post as I still had some time left on the clock. Use common sense in all things. Do you take such precautions when using a pencil? Graphite, uh, Graphene.....you know....Graphene is simply two dimensional graphite. Rule no. 1 for the intrepid audiophile: Don’t freak out! 😀
- your humble scribe
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Agree with your post @geoffkait
My question is it getting on your skin. It does quite easily.
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jetter
Geoff, why not just admit that in all the chatter about graphene, it was wolf that brought up the concern first about a potential safety hazard if it is used incorrectly. You will notice I did not bring it up about TC, I discussed cutting it from its sheet format, as do the articles.
Wolf did not discuss its application, he discussed potential consequences from inhaling it when removing the application, using a rather tongue in cheek delivery. So I am not sure why you took such objection to the rather informative posts.
>>>>Are you pretending to be a little slow? There are a great many household products, some very common, that should not (rpt not) be ingested. Maybe you can think of some off the top of your head. The TC itself comes in a rather small syringe making it quite difficult to swallow, just as your and Wolfie silly warning is hard to swallow. Also the TC product is not a liquid, but a paste. NOTE If you see or suspect a child has swallowed any toxic substance immediately take him to the hospital. Use your brain. The suggestion by the primary knucklehead that Graphene powder could come off of tube pins when removing tubes from their sockets and have toxic consequences has got to be one of the most absurd cautions ever posted by a pseudo skeptic on these pages as these contact enhancer cure to be a hard solid. Obviously you guys have been watching too many Alien movies. It’s something only a pseudo skeptic with no experience whatsoever would say. Ironically none of you has thought to suggest Graphene is cancenogenic. You guys are slipping! Good luck with your quest to put together a decent system one day. I’m sure we are all atwitter.
If Graphene or any substance you believe is toxic gets on your hands or fingers, which can sometimes happen, be sure and wash your hands. Who wouldn’t? Your your noodle.
Thanks for all the “informative posts.” 🤡
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Actually the safety or health concerns pointed out are reasonable questions that demand a clarifying answer. I did read a great deal on it (graphene) last night and emailed the designer and marketer ..... Tim.
This stuff will get on your hands as it is unavoidable. Plugging and unplugging gear and pasting causes it to get on skin.
I expect some response here very soon. |
By the way Tim, we are practically neighbors. I am near West Lebanon, just over the border on the Vermont side. I am glad your product is so well received. I don’t think my system has enough resolution to take advantage of the TC. Maybe soon though when I upgrade to a more powerful new tube amplifier.
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By the way, none of the above would stop me from purchasing and using the product if I was so inclined. |
