No one actually knows how to lculate what speaker cable they need
It goes back to cable manufaturars, mostly provide no relevant data! to sales and the users. None will answer this! Whay do you think that you own now the optimal cable to your setup? I think I've figured it out.
Why would you doubt members or my integrity? We have nothing to gain or lose.
There is no money or profit involved. It is a scientific fact that some guys
went the extra mile to try it and returned to share their impression. Most also
showed some gratitude and appreciation. Sorry for you and some others, who try
for long to undermined this idea and write any possible post to go against it.
I should be the one to be subspecies with your perseverance and
tenacity, that you are driven by some industry agendas. Even thou you denied, there
is no way for someone to spend so much time and energy for a crusade like
yours.
"My say to Mr. geoffkait implied he could make them (one or both)…"
It is not "geoffkait implied". It is "what I said to Mr. geoffkait implied that he could make them..." b4icu's statement implied that geoffkait could do something. He did not say that geoffkait implied something.
Kids, each one to his own room and do the homework.
"...a bad management decision to launch it in spite of very low temperature that day..."
I know nothing about Space Shuttles but was the low temperature at the launch site really that crucial for something designed to, minutes later, be in temperatures that are hardly ever, if ever, observed on Earth’s surface? I am not trying to make this into a Space Shuttle thread, although it is becoming one, but it seems illogical to a complete layman.
What am I missing here? Where was that low temperature?
" For the right cables (what you call 0 AWG): it works. We have 3 more guys who did it and are very happy with the results. Sorry you missed it. The count is on 6 so far."
Well, one is a ’friend’ of yours, two are are ’friend’s’ of another member here and are not available to answer questions from us. I would put that in the hearsay category and should not be included on the chart. I am sure you will disagree.
You’ve got it so wrong Mr. stevecham. The Space Shuttle Challenger disaster was a combination of a bad management decision to launch it in spite of very low temperature that day and a rings and gasket technical issue that been fixed from that time on. Nothing personal. My say to Mr. geoffkait implied he could make them (one or both) with his out of this world technical attitude. I did not called him names as you did to me.
Huh? What in the world are you going on about? I implied what? When? Where? Who?
You've got it so wrong Mr. stevecham. The Space Shuttle Challenger
disaster was a combination of a bad management decision to launch it in
spite of very low temperature that day and a rings and gasket technical issue
that been fixed from that time on. Nothing personal. My say to Mr. geoffkait implied he
could make them (one or both) with his out of this world technical attitude. I
did not called him names as you did to me.
For the right cables (what you call 0 AWG): it works. We have 3 more guys
who did it and are very happy with the results. Sorry you missed it. The count
is on 6 so far.
b4icu: "They also asked me if you worked for NASA at the time the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster (January 28, 1986)? That could explain a lot…"
I read that and my heart sickened. What kind of negative insinuation is that on Geoff? That’s just sad and completely uncalled for. And you got upset about my reference to a comedy show! Challenger was launched out of specification that morning, despite warnings by engineers. Politics overrode that position. Enough said. Go peddle your nonsense in another universe, please.
After your say: "they are many audiophile examples of things science supposedly can’t explain or they actually can’t explain, that I could give you here but it’s probably beyond scope, than skid into quantum physics)" and the members comments on that, it will be a while till you show your face here again.
The audiophile spell of the cables industry goes very far with you. I’m impressed you are deeply convinced of their nonsense to explain phenomenal sounds that exist only in your imagination. It is like religion: They convince you to believe in something you can’t hear (directionality), as religion had convince us to believe in something we can’t see (God)!
It is time for you to open the first audiophiles full’s church / synagogue / mosque. It seems that if you charge 10 cents per donations, you can become a milliner in no time.
Where is Mr. Dill to help you out of this mess? All the sudden when he is most needed, he is gone. I’ve seen here some of your best friend’s comments on your say and showed it to my ex-terrestrials guests. They smiled and said: This one we kind of seen coming…
They also asked me if you worked for NASA at the time the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster (January 28, 1986)? That could explain a lot…
>>>>I suspect you’d be much better off leaving humor to someone else and sticking to your thick cable schtick. My best friend from school was Director of the Rogers Commission to Investigate the Shuttle Disaster. Did you go to cheese school? 🧀 do you think the moon landing was a hoax? Do you think the moon is made of cheese? Speaking of NASA they use very pure metals for their fuses. Do you think that means they’re gullible? NASA has been exploring advabced fuse technology ever since they used special fuses to protect micro circuitry on the GEMINI program.
Thanks for your incite. NAIM is special. Nothing is standard with that
firm and products. They have a special interconnect (not RCA and not XLR): a 3
pin DIN with bayonet. They have a look of a badly painted black shoebox and a
price of bankrupt! with a green light that reminding me the Saudi flag. So
is their approach to the speaker wire and interconnect cables. Buying a naim system
is a closed case in deed, because it is a catholic marriage. They force you to
keep with naim. They went a bit too far with that, so they turned into a cult. Like
a new religion called naim! You need to join it, learn the naim bible and live
by that. A tiny slip and you are out. I see you are already a preacher of that bible.
I don't like to be forced. I don't like cults and I don't like naim.
Case closed.
Thanks for your advice. It is not my design. It is my calculated wire
with a resistance values to fit the amp's output resistance. Your OFC been
grounded thin already on this thread. After all you are a late comer. A normal
cooper wire is 99.8% pure (by industry standard). The OFC (Oxygen Free Highly
Conductive copper), has only 0.1%-0.19% better conductivity than the
ordinary wire. In my calculation it is negligible. In real life, no one can
hear that difference. The OFC and purity are just to get you pay more for
something that does the same job. Go for it. I'll spend my money elsewhere.
I am an engineer and designed chemical, electrical, and mechanical products. I am retired. Designed cables for instrumentation since the 80's, started recording in the 70's. The design your are suggesting might be Ok for the entry level. I would suggest that you try Oxygen Free Highly Conductive copper for your cabling. If you can not hear the difference maybe you should have your hearing checked.
I’m positive that I have the correct speaker cable for my amplifier. My Naim amp does not have an output inductor and can become unstable if the speaker cable used with it does not have high inductance and is not sufficiently long.
The kind folks at Naim have made NACA5 speaker cable for me, which when used in lengths between 3.5 and 10 meters is the perfect match to my amp. And it’s not too pricey either. Case closed.
Where
is Mr. Dill to help you out of this mess? All the sudden when he is most needed,
he is gone. I've seen here some of your best friend's comments on your say and
showed it to my ex-terrestrials guests. They smiled and said: This one
we kind of seen coming…
They
also asked me if you worked for NASA at the time the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster
(January 28, 1986)? That could explain a lot…
"...is just one example where inquisitive audiophiles are actually ahead..."
Could you, in the future, refer to this statement you just made?
You know, on those occasions when you call my questions "what about this and what about that routine"? Change the name of that routine to "an inquisitive mind that is actually ahead".
geoffkitten, you’re absolutely right in that science can’t explain everything. I’m sure that’s what your doctor said when he saw your brain MRI. Sorry a bit off topic but just as well in the spirit of some holiday humor....
" Oh, what the hell, I’ll list some anyway. PWB Silver Rainbow Foil, Schumann Frequency Generator, Mpingo disc, Shun Mook Original Cable Jacket, PWB Red x Pen, Cream Electret, Clever Little Clock, The Intelligent Chip, crystals for audio apps, Teleportation Tweak. If you’ve never heard of these audiophile devices or concepts I’ll understand."
I think you forgot to add Little Orphan Annie decoder ring
Sorry
for the bad news: We need to keep the conversation only with real stuff on this
thread. The since fiction, quantum physics and as you just said: things science
supposedly can’t explain or they actually can’t explain that I could give you
here but it’s probably beyond scope, need to stop and stay out.
As
this becomes an imaginary to illusionary stuff, I'll need to get back to the
UFO at my back yard to consult with the so advance ex-terrestrials. They are so
kind but they tend to lose their patient when I bring up your stuff. They claim
that even thou they are 250 million years more advanced than humans, they never
heard of those claims. One even got suspicious that you are bluffing them. I
don't want to upset them because they are my true inspiration for the DIY idea.
By
the way, they predicated your existence, but they fall short with the stuff you
are bringing up. Even they didn't see it coming!
Directionality can explain nothing. There is nothing in electrical science to explain such a thing in cables. It exists only in audiophiles minds that were talked into it at the time they were set up by the industry, with that excuse. So is the BI (Burn In), metal purity and all that long and annoying list of urban myths.
>>>>I think I see your problem. You believe science explains everything. Directionality is just one example where inquisitive audiophiles are actually ahead of all those big brains who write the science and electronics text books. Perhaps you’re just assuming there’s no scientific explanation, have you even looked? I doubt it. You looked, you didn’t look, I actually don’t care. What I’m sure you won’t find is a chapter in any text book with the title, directionality in wire. You’re obviously looking for a fast and easy explanation. I’m confident I’ve read more science text books than you have.
Be that as it may, they are many audiophile examples of things science supposedly can’t explain or they actually can’t explain, that I could give you here but it’s probably beyond scope. Oh, what the hell, I’ll list some anyway. PWB Silver Rainbow Foil, Schumann Frequency Generator, Mpingo disc, Shun Mook Original Cable Jacket, PWB Red x Pen, Cream Electret, Clever Little Clock, The Intelligent Chip, crystals for audio apps, Teleportation Tweak. If you’ve never heard of these audiophile devices or concepts I’ll understand.
No, the solution for the difference in speaker's cables sound is not in quantum physics either. Long
time ago, I knew a guy who had absolutely no understanding in electricity or
audio, so he also claimed that it is all in quantum physics. Please be
aware that you step into murky water. This guy ended up in a whit suit with
strange sleeves in a mental institute…
It is not a communication problem. It is a matter of the place you are: in
total denial. Now, that we were exposed to the problem, I'll wish you a fast
and complete recovery.
Mr. khiak surely knows how to make things look serious. Finalized cable looks nothing like a DIY project by some enthusiast with no experience and some free time. I suspect that Mr. khiak has experience in constructing things, hobby or professionally.
What we have here is failure to communicate. This whole “misunderstanding” regarding advanced audio concepts like directionality, burn in and purity of metals can probably best be explained by quantum physics. You see, think of me as an electron in a higher energy shell and you’re a lower energy electric orbiting in a lower energy electron shell. It takes too much energy for you to get to the higher energy electron shell, up where I am.
Directionality can explain nothing. There is nothing in electrical science
to explain such a thing in cables. It exists only in audiophiles minds that were
talked into it at the time they were set up by the industry, with that excuse.
So is the BI (Burn In), metal purity and all that long and annoying list of
urban myths.
You better look for the explanation somewhere else. I can give you a
hint, but this thread is all about it. Your attitude to accept the truth (especially
of the six testimonies of the guys who tried the DIY cables, I offered), is in
a denial. I have a bad feeling that no matter how many will say the same, you
will stick to directionality.
Just let me say it again: there is no such a thing as directionality,
and with something that doesn't exist, nothing can be explained.
I think that plumbers are underappreciated and underpaid. As you pointed out in some way, they know a lot about directionality and narrow points in the flow. Like going from 0 AWG to 8 AWG at the end of the cable. It is still quite a mystery to me why, in this thread, large diameter is a crucial positive influence while narrowing it at the end is negligible.
This thread is still running strong? That is an accomplishment. I thought it trickled down to "0 AWG" a long time ago. Add whatever direction you prefer to avoid another 14 pages of circular discussion and everyone is on her/his merry way.
b4icu, maybe there’s a language or communication problem but I already explained it to you - the differences in sound between cables, ANY cables, even between cheap cables and very expensive cables, can be explained SOLELY by directionality. If you wish to be the proverbial ostrich with his head in the sand that’s your prerogative. Besides, I actually do not (rpt not) define the high end strictly by price. It is all about sound, not price. Sometimes price is correlated to sound quality, sometimes it’s not. So I’d appreciate it if you don’t put words in my mouth.
Are we back big time? (all over again and again). Directional wires,
Burn in, purity? Let's add some snake oil, voodoo spelling, deeding in holly
water, lay the wire on special wood blocks etc'.
For some reason, the offered DIY needs none of them. They still sounded
better than any other cable used before. How do you explain that Mr. geoffkait? What happend to your Hi-end say, that gone with Mr. khiak's and friends sharing? US $33,000.-
Hi-end
worth of cables back to storage over some US $300.- DIY cables, changed your mind? The Hi end was removed from the table and the directinal BI returned.
I like the most, when a poor product (speaker cable) is offered for US $12,900.-,
sounds bad and you come up with the let it play for a while as it needs a burn
in! Mr. geoffkait, it will never sound better. Even if you take it out
to your car and give it a jump start with those cables. However, a proper
cable, with a good sound from the first time – don't need any burn in (or
excuses).
Mr. conradnash
Before you fall to Mr. geoffkait recommendations, I would kindly
propose you to fix all your acoustic and other audio issues, that require that room
correction process, that you mentioned on one of your previous posts. That is way
more significant in getting a better sound, than dancing with a candle around
cables and whisper spellings. You missed
the option of just light candles and eat some donates, as Hanukah is just over.
Room correction:
There was a guy who went with his wife to the tailor to get himself a
nice jacket. The tailor took measurements and asks him to return in a week.
After a week he was back, and the jacket was ready.
He put on the jacket, but one sleeve was a bit short. The tailor asked
him to tilt a bit to that side. Problem was fixed. But on the opposite side,
the bottom side of the jacket went up and exposed his lower back…After some 20
min. and endless corrections, the jacket was good but the guy had to stand in a
very awkward position. As he was standing there, a new couple walked in. The husband
looked at this awkward position standing guy and said to his wife: this looks as
a good tailor. If he managed to get this poor guy a jacket, he will do a really good
one for me.
This is what I think about room correction. This might explain some of your misunderstanding
of why the new DIY cable didn't shine when you replaced the old one. Your RC
had done some correction on the old cables (with DF and the relation between the two), as it is part of the loop. Did you
run RC SW again with the new DIY? Both ways the RC was involved…Pity you
mentioned it only later.
Instead of trying Mr. geoffkait recommendations (a waste of
time), try to play your system without RC and with your old cables. Than
connect the new DIY cable and listen again. Than be kind to share your impressions.
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