Oregonpapa
In a hobby where there are phono cartridges costing $15,000, line stages in excess of $30,000, amps in excess of $100,000 and speakers in excess of $250,000, $600 for a mat seems paltry.
I applaud your impeccable logic. 😛
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ipretiring sez: - Congratulations on your system success, and your retirement from beta testing.
Sorry friend, you misread my post. I was referring to "equipment" upgrades, not experimenting with tweaks. I don't think I'll ever be done with the tweaks. I'm a tweak-o-holic. Stay tuned ... there's another product coming down the pike that I'll be beta testing. Supposed to be a real killer.
- Do you think Tim will refund the $600 if it's cut up into a dozen pieces?
I'd say no. But then again, why would anyone want to return any of these mats once installed and the benefits enjoyed? Its not like they won't work. In fact, there's more benefit to be gained from the Omega E Mats than any other way that I can think of. In a hobby where there are phono cartridges costing $15,000, line stages in excess of $30,000, amps in excess of $100,000 and speakers in excess of $250,000, $600 for a mat seems paltry. Even if you were to buy six mats, two for the circuit breaker box and four more for under your various pieces of equipment, you'd be out only $3,600. For that dollar investment, you'd be hard pressed to get anything close to the improvement afforded by the six Omega E Mats. Frank |
@ozzy, thanks for clarifying about MC 0.5’s, 20 is a lot. I don’t want to derail this thread, is there a thread that describes your set up for how you implement them?
It will be most interesting to hear from you , whether or not they harmonise with the Omega E mat.
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There is NO WAY I would dream of cutting up $600 worth of equipment unless Tim stated it would be exactly the same as him supplying 10 smaller mats.
And even then I would prefer his supplied ones to my sure to be hack job...lol.
Buy one Geoff and let us know how it turns out...….
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@oregonpapa
"I can honestly say that I have finally after almost 40 years in the hobby, ended my quest to constantly upgrade equipment."
Congratulations on your system success, and your retirement from beta testing.
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Do you think Tim will refund the $600 if it's cut up into a dozen pieces?
LP |
jetter
I like ozzy's "cutting" idea, and it would be interesting if you could let us know what a cross section looks like. Does it appear to be all the same and the same material, or stratified layers of differing materials? If Tim has already answered this, sorry for the duplicate, but not up to reading the whole post at this time.
I for one would also like to know if anyone takes one to NASA for a good once over with a scanning electron microscope or if the word REDRUM is visible to the naked eye.
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@ozzy
Yes I read your thread on the speakers at the time, very interesting.
as for cutting up the large pad I would rather just wait until Tim makes the smaller ones available and intend to spend the same amount as 1 large one on ten smaller ones so I can experiment with placement to see where is most effective, then take it from there.
Much easier to justify the possible huge expense eventual in my head at 460 a pop rather than $600 even if I end up with 10 in the same place...lol
Just psychology I know.
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I like ozzy's "cutting" idea, and it would be interesting if you could let us know what a cross section looks like. Does it appear to be all the same and the same material, or stratified layers of differing materials? If Tim has already answered this, sorry for the duplicate, but not up to reading the whole post at this time. |
klh007, grannyring,
I have a thread about the Carver speakers on the Audiogon speaker forum. They definitely revealed some issues with my preamp.
For you guys wanting smaller Omega pads why not cut the pad into several sections and place them on several components?
ozzy
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Wow! Ozzy your new speakers completely surprised me. I have often wondered how those would sound. I bet they sound wonderful with the Bob Carver monster tube amps! Nice. |
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The combination of TC and the Omega E Mats are the real deal. As the result of using both products in combination, I can honestly say that I have finally, after almost 40 years in the hobby, ended my quest to constantly upgrade equipment. Amazing products.
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@ Tim,
Great news about the little mats, as much as I want to try one of the eMats is out of my reach $$$ at the moment. Also running out of TC, most likely will order more at some point. Great product!
Looking forward to try out the mats and acoustic treatment. Thanks & Keep the the hard work.
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@ozzy, I've heard the Amazings at shows recently and they have sounded amazing, or just OK in a too large room (auditorium) at CAF. Can you tell us what you think are their strengths and weaknesses? I heard a sensational soundstage, very transparent, and solid deep bass. |
grannyring,
I do need to update my systems page.
I am using the Bob Carver Amazing Line Source speakers.
ozzy
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@ozzy
I could not find your virtual system page and wonder if you made another set of speakers? Can you share what speakers you are currently using? Thanks.
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Put mats on top of my Audio Note AN-E speakers earlier this afternoon, with very promising initial results. Can't wait to get two weeks on them!
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perfectpathtech,
Thank you for responding to my question. Well today the sound seems to be very good. Very peculiar...
Yes my amps were purchased new and probably have several thousand hours on them. The speakers are also new but they have only about 150-175 hours on them.
ozzy
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Tim
Glad to hear!
Seriously as soon as you release them you will have an order from myself as should be interesting and a bit more wallet friendly to start....
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@ozzy Break in it is not. Slowly energizing the panel or component, 7th or 8th day it will snap into place, and further improvements will be linear. It will have changed again by tonight, again by morning and so on. Just be a little more patient your almost there.
Couple of quick questions, were your speakers and amps new out of the box? If so how many hours are on them?
@uberwaltz Things have changed in the market place, I have placed a high priority on releasing them ASAP! Even considering a introductory offer, so get ready it should be a lot of fun!
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You and me too Grannyring.
I am awaiting on Tim to make available the mats at approx 1/10 size and cost before I can play. |
toetapaudio,
Yes you are correct that I am using 20 of the HF MC-.05’s.
The Core Power units can handle 300 watts (for my digital) and 18000 watts for all others including (2) mono block Carver 350 WPC amps
Perfectpathtech,
Yesterday I did notice a pretty heavy mid range suck out. Is this because the bass and treble are further ahead in the break in process? I have about 72 hours on the mat that is inside the breaker panel and is placed over the breakers.
ozzy
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"The question is whether magnetism is part of how the mat works."
Pretty sure my September release is going to raise a lot of new questions, and magnetism will not be one of them.
I have also noticed speculation on my cost to offer my products, as
well as the quality. Quality is my number one priority, not cost.
As far as cost well, I just finished a material batch, and I spent more then I paid for my home, and I don't live in a rabbit hole.
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theaudiotweak
If you move the E Mat less than 1/2 inch away from a ferrous material or shelf there is 0 pull force..I think there will be virtually 0 chance of magnetic interference while using the E Mat with any product.
>>>>Well, there is the inverse square law to consider, I suppose. But the slightly magnetic mat ain’t going to help adhere to the surface if it’s not ferrous, which many things aren’t. The question is whether magnetism is part of how the mat works.
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Doing that now...let you know when I know..Tom |
Has anyone tried the mats withs your speakers? If so, how did you place them, and what were the results? Obviously you need two. |
If you move the E Mat less than 1/2 inch away from a ferrous material or shelf there is 0 pull force..I think there will be virtually 0 chance of magnetic interference while using the E Mat with any product. Tom |
@tommylion - I know perfect path tech has said the magnet has nothing to do with the effect of the mat and the: “e mat was put through a number of test to see what materials would stop the effect, 2inch solid marble, 3/8's thick rolled steel boiler plate, 2" solid granite, 1"thick extruded aluminum none of them were up to the task. There is no benefit to taking the cover off your panel, and installing the mat inside the panel.”
They have obviously created something that is very powerful. I’m just saying based on my own experimenting 8x11 magnetic sheets even with weak magnet fields can change the sound in my system. Speakers and phono cartridges work by using magnetic fields. High Fidelity has shown manipulating the electricity feeding your system with magnets is also sonically beneficial. I’m going to add somethings to the mats I have to see if I can sort of figure-out what is going on with the E-mats.
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@ozzy thanks for the update, most interesting. I’m using Bybee Signal Enhancers atm on the consumer unit and find them to help as well. I thought I read during your review of the Akiko Corelli that you were using HFC MC-0.5’s, did you forget to mention or am I mistaken?
I hope you don’t mind me saying but your balanced power transformers seem a bit under rated. Have you considered ones with a larger kVA rating?
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My understanding is that the magnet on the mat is relatively weak, so the field it produces is not strong enough, and does not extend far enough, to have much influence on anything.
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@grannyring @geoffkait @fleschler - I will do that and report back
@orthomead - I reread my previous comment and it was a little terse. If the inventor says it ok to use under a turntable that has a moving magnet or moving coil cartridge then go for it I guess. |
It has been about 20 days with the Mat on the CD player and about 9 days with the second Mat on the breaker panel. The noise floor has dropped further. It allows each instrument and singer to materialize in sharp focus without out any digita glare whatsoever. The music sounds so real that that I am immediately engrossed in the interactions of instruments, vocalist etc.
I have never had this much fun experiencing music from my Hi-Fi with this moderate level of investment.
Thanks Tim,
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@sbayne. Because the inventor who seems to know his business has suggested it as a use.
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I wonder if using a 60 mil magnetic mat together with an Omega E-mat (stacked) will improve the sound. Or stacking them or stacking E-Mats as suggested by Geoff with a 1/4" gap. So many possibilities. |
I have found ERS cloth sheets and tape to harm sound in some locations and gear, but improve sound in other instances. You must experiment and see. I works great in my balanced power conditioner and not so well in my past CD player or as a shield in audio cable production. |
@sbayne
Great on those magnetic mats and let us know how it turns out. I will not be able to spend $600 per mat so your testing is important to me and many others. |
Another thing to try is separate mats from each other by 1/4” when stacking them using cotton cloth or some other similar material to see if that improves effectiveness. |
@fleschler - they are 20 mil and very inexpensive. I’m not saying the E-mat is nothing more than an magnetic mat. I’m sure he did something to it which he for obvious reasons won’t disclose. I had a few magnetic mats so I thought I would experiment with them. |
Tom - yes they attach easily to the metal plate in my head and now I can fly! |
sbayne..Could you tell us what mil/strength specification of magnetic mats you purchased? They typically come as 15, 20, 30 and 60 mil thickness. Thirty mats are a lot of mats.
I can say that the E-mat after nine days, has fully resolved the mid-range anomaly whereby the upper mids smoothes out and the lower mids have strengthened. A nice balanced sound.
The first thing my engineer friend said when he heard my system with the E-Mats yesterday was how did the bass get so prominent and deeper. He looked at the breaker panel mat and said it was a big kitchen magnet. He also doesn't like Total Contact on micro-voltage locations but said it was okay on higher voltage locations like speakers and A/C plugs/outlets. He was impressed with the improved sound through in my system though. |
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@tommylion - could be. The mass should help with dampening the case. I’m going to experiment with them some more and even cut the mats into smaller sizes to put in various places in my system. |
Sbayne..do those mats come from Bybee and do they adhere to your head? Tom |
Try them under the server. See what happens.
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sbayne,
The magnetic mats are on top of your server? I'm just wondering if the improvements you are hearing could be due to them dampening vibration, rather than the magnets?
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I’m currently experimenting with magnetic mats in my system. Ive placed a number of them on my music server which actually did improve the sound. Ive ordered 30 more to try in various places including the breaker box. |
Wow, amg56, for a second there I thought you said light headedness.
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Nope. The magnetism has already been explained as simply a way to attach the mat to steel surfaces. If it operated via magnetism you could just attach a large magnet plate to the chassis or breaker panel door. It would be a whole lot cheaper. Besides the ERS cloth doesn’t work in most places. It hurts the sound. Which explains why the sound was better once it was removed. Hel-loo! The ERS cloth is the poster child for expectation bias.
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@ozzy - I actually think the E-mat may be doing something very similar as the MC-0.5s i.e. manipulating the signal via magnetics. Would also explain why the mat seemed to work once the ers cloth was removed from your breaker box. The cloth is for blocking rf and emi. |
But please don't mistake my light heartedness with my not being interested.. I am reading each post. |
Glad to take one for a bit of levity. But the mat thereabouts effect me taking iron tablets? |
