Please Read and express your feelings and opinions....

Sports and political forums might be the worst offenders in this regard.  I've mostly thought of Audiogon as one of the more civil.  I try to behave well on this site but I know I have lost it from time to time.  Threads like this should help IMO.

Go to any forum;  football ,firearms, Harleys.....basically all the same.  People argue, some more adamantly than others.  You will always find the know it all, the cliques and the noobies.  I think it is just the nature of the beast.

@kosst_amogan....Was not you I was referring to, but you were in " that " camp.

This thread will benefit all of us to remind how far we became too comfortable with each other expressing our experience on cables, dacs, amps, preamps, tweaks and more, I still believe there are many good members in this site, Some of the members here, I met them personally, like Doug Schroeder extremely nice person, tommorow I will meet Bube (Vinh) at Axpona, I agree at the end of the day it’s just stereo, My experience , members here are much nicer in person, let’s just continue to enjoy this site and respect each other, Gdhal, Trelja, thank you, this thread is for. All of us to remind ourself , How old timer did respect each other here, and they were able to communicate their audio experience with us.

@jayctoy thank you for initiating this thread.

As someone who's been on this forum since it began almost 20 years ago, I've noticed a lot of the recent conversation to have degraded significantly.  Call out whatever thread you will as an example, it's valid.

What I'm struggling with personally is living my entire life a staunch defender of free speech and the exchange of ideas even to the point of argument now in conflict with the same folks (and they are on BOTH sides of the fence) showing up again and again and again and again to truly ruin this environment for everyone while adding almost nothing to the discussions

Great thread @jayctoy 

Had I prefaced or appended my statement with "in my opinion", that might help alleviate a lot of whats going on.

Also, I think if folks were to listen to the heart of gold band more often, that too would be helpful. Isn't that what our gear is meant for anyway?

At the end of the day we're talking about stereos what really is there to get worked up about? The world can be a pretty grim place at times this is fun and fun only to me.

Yes I agree sometimes us here take these threads way too seriously,but in retrospect I personally have learned a lot over the yrs from a semi-heated thread where other things are discussed.

Even though I’m definitely not one of Audiogon’s oldest members,I’ve pretty much read since they were started,and joined later on.

I don’t mind a little heat myself but I’m not very crazy about any kind of personal attack in any situation,totally uncalled for.

I experienced this recently myself from a experienced Audiogon member who also is a reviewer and even when I brought it to his attention he just keep up his condescending personal attack’s.

I see a lot of this kind of reaction from the gut knee jerking usually stems from people not reading and or understanding other people’s posts completely.

I greatly respect these threads because people myself included are making our purchasing decisions from what we learn here.

Anyhow I’m a pretty thick skinned and I will continue to read and post and make these threads enjoyable and continue to learn and share as much as possible.

I hope Everyone enjoys the music,
Kenny.

A week ago I end up reading old post ten yrs ago, by Bobundus , and some old timer here , I was amaze, by their kind and simple post.I was trying to find a review of old cables that time, when I came across their post, i  end up reading Bombaywala....and  TVad ....as well...why I got the thought to put this thread..I agree iam guilty as well as Tekton fan boy , sorry to all, yes too many thread on Tekton...

@kosst_amojan  Agreed.  Most A'Goners are too serious.  People, generally are too intense and seem to lose track of the notion that enjoying life and sharing in the joys of others can be rewarding.  The social scientist in me sees what you are referencing on A'Gon as a microcosm of society as a whole.  We all (myself included!) need to chill out!

I get a chuckle when I know people are talking about me without using my name. 

I don't really consider these forums places of thought and learning because facts tend not to get in the way of opinions. I think if you're really interested in learning, there's better venues. There's a lot of snake oil given credit and a lot of opinions stated as incontravertable fact. Take that horn thread mentioned above. The OP asks why horns are so contraversial, then the crowd attacks anybody who gives a valid reason. And of course they're deathly serious and passionate as if any expressed dissention might sway somebody from their audio religion. It cracks me up. People are too serious here. 

The unfortunate vitriol we experience here is a reflection of the ever increasing polarization of our society.  Sadly, in America, we've decided to wear team jerseys and we want to win.  The SR blue fuse thread is a great example of this.  One jersey represents the "high quality fuse make an audible difference" and the other jersey is, of course battling for the opposing view.

No politics in this.  It's a cultural battle in the nation.  As in most civil wars, everyone seems to lose in the end.

So what to do?  The only thing I can see that might get us to shed those jerseys and just be Americans again is a big nation-threatening event that would force us to come together for our survival.

The lessons of 9/11 are too far in the rear view mirror.

@cj1965, I have a Mac and I just click and drag to highlight the word or section desired and right click to get down to "fonts" and chose italics.
For some reason, bold and underline doesn't work for me even though it's an option so I'm content to just use italics.

All the best,
Nonoise

I too have noticed less tolerance for different opinions now than say 10 years ago. The change in tone coupled with the same subjects being beaten to death week after week makes me less interested in checking the Agon forums these days. I still glance at them every week or two but I don’t follow the threads like I used to.

I too have found that we as a group seem more intolerant now than 10 years ago.  What truly irks me is the Tekton fanboys.  There are at least 4 different threads going on about Tekton and it's all the same BS.  I don't read them any longer.

I like to believe that courtesy begets courtesy.  That's why I let other drivers move in front of me when merging and stuff like that.  It's my contribution to the common good.  

There was a thread started here a while ago, I think it was " what about horns ", and the fun began. I jumped in, talking about why dynamics of a sound system is high on my priority list, and another came on and made the statement " I loathe horns ". I have to admit, I was seduced into the bantering that was about to take place. Turns out I owned the same speakers as this individual, with a superior ss amp that he owned ( imo ), and know first hand that dynamics was not a virtue of his system ( I admitted to other virtues he was enjoying ). It was boys against boys, looking for our manhood. Although us horn lovers felt he, and a few others, were trolls, the posting was an invite for everyone. The point of all this : bring it on........it is all part of our journey.

I feel like a bit of rough and tumble makes threads more fun.  I also feel that sensitive people should stay off the internet.

Audiogon forums are full of dealers manufacturers suggesting there products or fan boys commenting on a new favorite product we also have the highly biased and inexperienced giving advice out. And those who do capacitor swaps of the day without every really comparing results without measuring results just the old I did this mod and its the best ever. You will see many post about whats the best or the old all this is that. And my favorite that those using any vintage are fools and they should burn it and buy the latest English designed  Chinese bookshelf's to be considered audiophile and of coarse the copper you use to wire it all up needs to be extremely costly or its not considered audiophile. 

ps sorry for the caps. If someone knows what button to press for boldface or italics, let me know - thanks...

Any members participating in a thread - REGARDLESS OF WHAT SIDE THEY COME DOWN ON IN ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE - should call out or warn when another member veers from focusing on subject matter to focusing on perceived faults or failures of other forum members. It doesn't mean all discussions have to be "neutered" or that all passion has to be dispensed with. And it doesn't mean we can't say things like - "No, I'm pretty sure you're wrong" - AS LONG AS WE FOLLOW SUCH STATEMENTS IMMEDIATELY WITH - "and here's why...."

I've participated in a variety of forums as most here likely have ranging over a variety of disparate subjects - fishing, remote controlled aircraft, flying, boat building, audio, automotive repairs....yada yada yada. In every single one - WITHOUT EXCEPTION - moderators implore participants to focus on dissecting the subject matter - not fellow forum members. If people can help each other do that, it is still possible to maintain respect for one another, maintain a civil dialog, yet be able to passionately express our views, experiences, and convictions. A civil forum doesn't have to be a "dead space" like an elevator with elevator music playing in the background.