SCD-777ES or SCD-1


Am wondering which one is better. Anyone out there have experience with both? Opinions? Thanks.
gpdavis1
If you want a player that sounds comparable to a modded SCD-1, then buy the current production player. Modding the SCD-1 will destroy it's collectible value, which at this point is the primary reason to purchase one.

IMO.
Put another way, at $800-900 for a used 777ES vs. $1800 or more for SCD-1, 777ES is a good deal for anyone interested in performance/value or mod potential. Moreover, a 777ES can easily be converted to true balanced operation through one of several pro mod shops.
I see your point, Dgarretson. What currently produced CD/SACD players would you say are sonically on par with a modded 777ES, and how much do you believe a mod would cost to bring the 777ES up to the performance of one of these player?

That's the real cost analysis question in your scenario.

On the other hand, the SCD-1 purchased today for $1800 will likely retain it's value over the long haul. Heck, I've seen SCD-1 player selling for around $2000 for nearly three years now. $2000 appears to be their bottom line value...give or take a few hundred bucks.
Tvad, admittedly I don't get out much. The only top players I've listened to closely are Zanden, DCS stack, and top Reimyo(RBCD comparisons only), as well as comparisons to vinyl in my own system and to stock 777ES and Theta Gen 5a that I keep for reference. IMHO, none of the above approach RBCD on my battery-powered SCD-1, which is based largely on Reference Audio Mods ideas & parts, twists from Allen Wright and Yamada-san, and also various experiments of my own. I've put some things into it that from a T&M and risk perspective are not particularly viable from a commercial modder's perspective, but having moved progressively through many iterations of upgrades, my sense is that you can get fairly close to this level of performance for $2-4K spent with RAM. Unfortunately I have not heard the VSEI L7 mod, which in balanced version prices out for around $3K and offers the benefit of a productized, drop-in, warrantied purchase.

One thing I know is it's all about improvements to clock, power, and analog section. The "heart" of the unit-- the digital section and DAC-- is very strong. Too much emphasis is placed on the latest developments in the digital domain(e.g. upsampling, parallel DACs, etc.), while ignoring built-to-cost compromises in other critical areas. If one accepts this viewpoint, then these two Sonys remain good platforms for continuing mods.

As you imply, mods are not for everyone, as most of the value is lost on the resale side. But if you are a keeper, the Sony has almost unlimited potential.
Well, I'd be willing to lay odds a used, previous generation APL Denon 3910
for $2500 (or less) would be at least equal, if not surpass, the modded SCD-
1. In addition, the APL could function as a DAC for an additional source with
a digital output, and it would play HDCD, DVD-A and DVD...for considerably
less money than buying a 777ES and modding it at the prices you mention.

It's a bit of a risk with the present APL hullaballoo, but it's an incredible
player, and the present environment has depressed the prices on these
players.

I mention this only as an alternative, and without intention of being
argumentative.