Selling dispute. Please comment.


I recently sold a pair of mono amps and checked the box that indicated the original manual was included. I never use the manual for something like this and just assumed the manual was in the box as there were some various papers from the manufacturer in the boxes.

The buyer got the amps safely and they are in perfect condition as described. I shipped the same day the item sold. Unfortunately the manuals were not in the boxes the amps came in. These were the original boxes, but the manuals are not there according to the buyer.

I sent him the link to download the pdf of the manual. He is not happy with that. I offered to print a color double sided copy (on good stock) at Kinkos for $20 (at my expense) and ship that to him. He says that the original manual was promised and that I have to deliver that to him. And that he dervers two of them since the amps came in two separate boxes. He is threating to kill the deal and dispute with audiogon and paypal.

I admit that I'm in the wrong for mis-stating that the manuals were included. I will attempt to order the manuals from the manufacturer on Monday, but I don't know that the manufacturer will provide them even if I pay for them.

I'd appreciate comments regarding this problem. Thank you.
jaxwired
The buyer is not 'unreasonable or irrational.' You said you had the manuals. Maybe he wants them in case he sells the amps at a later date, maybe, like me, he just wants the orignal equipment, boxes, packings and all else included. I lost the manual to my Nakamichi 700, got a copy from the company, but it's not the same, and I don't even buy and sell. Iif the buyer decides to take your offers that's up to him. Otherwise do the right thing. And if could be that he passed on other amps for sell just because you said you had the manuals and the other sellers did not.
Cheers.
If the manual is available from the original company,and is a printed original type copy, then those are sufficient.

My Bryston 4B-SST2 amp, And Bryston BP-26 and Bryston BP1.5 new two years ago, come only with photocpies. With a staple. Really.(cheap as Hell actually)
If the original manuals are not available, either because the company is defunct, or they will only send another photocopy, then I guess the seller is out of luck.
The buyer IS being picky, but that is his right.
(PS how then does the seller even know they weren't IN the boxes and the buying is making up stores? Far fetched yes, but still.)
Anyway, if original format owners manuals are not available from the company, You can take back the amps.
And sell them to someone way less picky!!!

I know Audio research sells original style copies of any owners manuals. As I have been sent one by a seller, and I myself purchased another to be drop shipped to the buyer of another Audio Research preamp. $15 with a phone call.

The real lesson here is to pay attention to what you are selling. If you would haved LOOKED in the boxes, this would not be costing you hundreds of dollars in shipping there and back.
And yes you have to refund 100% of his money and pay for your own return shipping. The items are NOT as advertised.
Pity, and a bit odd, a bit strange, but hey, it is what it is.
Personally i hope the guy never does find another pair of those amps in decent shape, and can cry in his pillow over his attitude about not accepting for YEARS.
Original boxes and original manuals give the product additional value. Just because a couple of people here feel it's not important to them is irrelevant. You advertised the amplifiers with original manuals and that is what the buyer paid for. However, I do not believe a set of mono amplifiers come with two manuals. If you can come up with one original manual I would consider it case closed.
Don't sweat it. Send him the best manuals you can procure and send it to him. If he complains, tell him to go pound sand...

-RW-
I wonder about the parenting style of people who raised some of the "super-finicky" snobs that want things "just so". Sounds like you made a reasonable effort to ameliorate the situation. I couldn't possibly express how vindicated I feel when I encounter one of these types that try this kind of crap when they need something from me that falls under the rubric of my area of expertise.
I am most certainly polite, uber competent and EXTREMELY expensive. :)