Naunc0,
Thank you for the information regarding your Plinius SA-102.
Thank you for the information regarding your Plinius SA-102.
Synergistic Red Fuse ...
I installed a SR RED Quantum fuse in my ARC REF-3 preamp a few days ago, replacing an older high end fuse. Uhh ... for a hundred bucks, this little baby is well worth the cost. There was an immediate improvement upon installation, but now that its broken in (yes, no kidding), its quite remarkable. A tightening of the focus, a more solid image, and most important of all for my tastes, a deeper appreciation for the organic sound of the instruments. Damn! ... cellos sound great! Much improved attack on pianos. More humanistic on vocals. Bowed bass goes down forever. Next move? .... I'm doing the entire system with these fuses. One at a time though just to gauge the improvement in each piece of equipment. The REF-75se comes next. I'll report the results as the progression takes place. Stay tuned ...
Any comments from anyone else who has tried these fuses?
Any comments from anyone else who has tried these fuses?
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In my opinion Audio Magic Beeswax SHD fuses are better than the blacks. I know they are very pricy (for fuses) but they worth the money. I have AM SHD in my pre and Blacks in the amps (also in the DAC).. I think the improvement in the Pre superior to the one in the mas and much to my gusto and system. The Blacks could be Beethoven, Mahler or Bruckner, the AM could be Mozart. 🤒 |
Parts Connexion has the SR Red and SR basic on sale as well: http://www.partsconnexion.com/fuse_syn_main.html |
naunc0: My Marantz SACD player has 5 rail fuses which I replaced one at a time. I heard a progressive improvement after each fuse location was updated. So I definitely hear an improvement after replacing rail fuses. One approach to your situation that requires 4 fuses is to take advantage of the sale of Synergistic Research SR-20 and Synergistic Research Red fuses just announced at highend - electronics Inc. They have an ad here on Audiogon under tweaks. The SR-20 are $29.95 and the Red fuses are $34.95. Be sure to determine if your 10 amp fast blow fuses are small (5 x 20 mm ) , or large (6.3 x 32 mm) . They may not have all sizes available. Perhaps the Cable Company, New Hope, Penn. is also having a sale. I do think both of the fuses will improve your amp over the stock fuses. David Pritchard |
^^^ As previously pointed out earlier, this thread has become like a group of guys meeting down at the local pub. It started out as a thread regarding SR Red fuses ... and has developed into far more than that. Its evolved into a continuous discussion about other tweaks (especially SR tweaks), electronics, speakers, music, recording recommendations and even family. Its become a place where we can join together as friends with a common passion. The problem starts when one, two or even a few of the visitors have way too much to drink, then filled with liquid courage (think keyboard courage), start violating common courtesy and believe its permissible to push others around who are enjoying their time yacking it up at the pub. So, the question becomes what to do with these miscreants? Do we continue taking their abuses, or do we continue showing them the door? I vote for showing them the door, while at the same time exposing them for the Sad Sacks and bullies they really are. In the meantime, the system is sounding better than ever before with one of the very best mid-ranges I've ever experienced. The superiority of analog was always a given in the system, but now well recorded red book CD's are WAY beyond the point where I ever thought digital would be. Over the past year, WITHOUT CHANGING ANY OF THE ELECTRONICS, the system that resides in my listening room has been transformed from a very good audio system, one that I could have lived with from now on, into a magic music machine that I wouldn't want to live without. I have many posters here to thank for that. OP |
almarg 6,669 posts 09-03-2016 1:26pm nobody can explain the technical design aspects of "special" fuses .... FWIW, I for one certainly can’t. I’ll say also that it seems to me that audio is somewhat unique in that there are countless technical variables that can be cited for which it is not readily possible to define a quantitative threshold separating what may potentially be audible in some systems from what is unquestionably insignificant. In the absence of that kind of quantitative perspective there is essentially no limit to what a perceived or claimed sonic effect can be attributed to. Or misattributed to. Best regards, -- Al We’ve been over all that. There is no mystery here, folks. It’s straight physics and metallurgy and some common sense thrown in for good measure. This is all starting to sound like the great cable debate that’s been going on for what, thirty five years. Fuses, like cables and wire, have evolved over time. In the case of aftermarket fuses it’s taken say twenty years. Like anything else, a fuse can be improved. How, you ask? We discover problems. We solve them. We learn, grow. |
People like us who stupidly evaluate sounding machines by ear without much care for measuring are kind of a therapy for this kind of Trolls. As many of us do, when I read a forum discussion that makes me nervous I stop reading and search another. The Troll looks only for discussions where opinions dislike him and enter it. He is sure to be right against the world and will show to people all around the world who he is. So he forces us to take his opinion and so his person in consideration. He is often outrageous and definitive in his opinions for provoking reactions of some of us. So endly, he exists. when hunters want to hunt some birds they use whispers imitating their voice. The birds come and bang bang... If you want to make trolls appear there are some magic words. Some of them are : "Does someone know Acoustic System Resonnators ?" Just write "TW-Acustic makes great TTs" and Syntax will suddenly appear in the discussion. There are many others we could list but we are serious people that judge music machines by ear first. Wolfie Cotton ears can write as often he wants I just don't read his posts and I am happy to part of his therapy for free. |
Naunc0 ... I have two rail fuses in my ARC CD-7se. Replacing the stock fuses with the SR Black fuses was an ear opening experience. Very analog like. Way more of the total presentation became available. The huge reduction in smearing really allows one to enjoy the complexities and inner detail of classical music. Things just appear more "live." wolf-garcia, aka Wolfie Cotton Ears ... Why do you continue coming into this thread with the same worn out diatribe? You complain about "personal attacks," and yet, it is you who continue attacking. Here's more evidence of your people skills. And all of this from just one post: " personal attacks" ... " nonsensical rantings" ... " fraudulent products" ... " imaginary glee" ... " this is profit driven scamming." OP |
I have the SR Blacks on the power inlet of my Plinius amp, and on my Backert preamp, Modwright Oppo power supply, and PS power regenerator. The results confirm the benefits others have described here, particularly with the amp. But so far I’ve balked at replacing the four additional rail fuses in the Plinius, just because of the cost. Is anyone here able to give impressions of whether I can expect comparable improvements with the rail fuses? |
nobody can explain the technical design aspects of "special" fuses ....FWIW, I for one certainly can’t. I’ll say also that it seems to me that audio is somewhat unique in that there are countless technical variables that can be cited for which it is not readily possible to define a quantitative threshold separating what may potentially be audible in some systems from what is unquestionably insignificant. In the absence of that kind of quantitative perspective there is essentially no limit to what a perceived or claimed sonic effect can be attributed to. Or misattributed to. Best regards, -- Al |
The smokescreen of personal attacks and other nonsensical rantings only prove my point about these fraudulent products…nobody can explain the technical design aspects of "special" fuses or "magic transducing aluminum jujubes" that provide so much imaginary glee to the believers because there IS no explanation beyond plucking out terms like "Quantum Tunneling" or "Transducers," and tossing those phrases into the hype. If these things work I simply ask, again, why? How were they developed? What do SR fuses do to the electrons before they hit the circuits? I think these are reasonable questions that if asked of an amp designer or even a gear rack or speaker footer company (Or car manufacturer or wine maker) there is no hesitation to at least try to come up with reasonable technical explanations, but with this stuff it's NADA, and will likely remain so, as this is profit driven scamming at its most (or least) transparent. |
what about amplifier where existing fuse it is 4A slow blow? Next value from SR it is about 5A. Do you recommend also greater value of 5A?Yes, based on a number of experiences that have been reported earlier in this thread that would seem to be a prudent thing to do. In my opinion, from a technical standpoint there is negligible risk in doing so. The only possible downside I can envision is that if an unrelated problem arises in the amp, and the amp is under warranty and the manufacturer becomes aware of the substitution, they could conceivably use the substitution as an excuse to not cover the cost of the repair. But even that seems very unlikely. Good luck. Regards, -- Al |
A T800 fuse is slow blow. The thinness of the wire reflects the small 800 ma (0.8 amp) current rating of the fuse. Also, given the reports that have been made in this thread by several people indicating that in some applications SR fuses have had to be derated somewhat to prevent them from blowing when they shouldn't (i.e., to have current ratings that are a bit higher than specified by the equipment manufacturer), it would seem prudent to choose an SR fuse rated at 1 amp, rather than 800 ma. Both ratings provide a wide margin relative to the 20 volt-amp consumption of the DAC, but the brief current surge that may occur at turn-on could be significantly larger. Regards, -- Al |
Hi, thanks for your feedback, so I just reach home and I check it exactly, I should do this from the begining: I found out that the fuse have size of 5x20 mm and the size of the wire inside fuse it is very thin (I suppose arround 0,2mm), so seems to be fast burn fuse. On the other side, I found out that T from description of fuse comes from slow burn fuse. It is wright? Also, one the fuse and backside of DAC it is written that fuse it is type T800 mA and consumption it is aprox. 20VA. |
Mlaurentiu, I looked at the manual for the Linn Numerik DAC, and at the section of this Wikipedia writeup which among other things addresses BS (British Standard) 1362 fuses. It appears that the 5 amp fuse referred to in the manual is in the mains plug, not in the DAC itself. The DAC itself apparently has a fuse with a MUCH smaller current rating. That rating is not indicated in the manual but may be indicated on the rear of the unit, and/or on the fuse itself. Also, note the following statements in the Wikipedia writeup: There are two common misconceptions about the purpose of the fuse in a BS 1363 plug, one is that it protects the appliance connected to the plug, and the other is that it protects against overloading. In fact the fuse is there to protect the flexible cord between the plug and the appliance under fault conditions....I’ve seen separate indications confirming that the 25.4 mm length dimension is the overall length of the fuse including the end caps, and so I’m not sure that the 6.3 x 32 mm fuses provided by SR and other makers would fit in the plug. Also, I found this set of time/current curves for the BS 1362 fuses, which can be used to determine whether those fuses fall into what is generally considered to be the fast blow or slow blow categories, or into something in between. Post back if you’d like me to make that determination. Regards, -- Al |
OK, Meanwhile I found folowing answer which seems to be logical and could be usefull if there is no mention in manual. Anyway, if there is something wrong or to be added, please do, I would like to clarify this aspect and order some fuses next week. " The answer to this depends on the application. The main purpose of a fuse, in any application, is to prevent a fire. If the fuse is in the loudspeaker circuit, ie, in series with the loudspeaker as a load, then it needs to tolerate occasional overloads, but open on continued overload - so, medium slow blow. If the fuse is in series with a transistorised power supply's pass transistor, then it needs to be a very fast blow. If the fuse is in the mains input lead before any power supply unit, then it needs to sustain the start-up current required to charge the main filter capacitors - so, slow blow. In summary, look at the application." Fuse in Linn Numerik DAC it is located next to power in socket, so I assume that it is before any transformer power supply, so it should be slow blow? Thanks |
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For those wanting to try an audio grade fuse in their equipment but are reluctant to do so because of a price barrier, High End Electronics Inc., Apple Valley, California is having a sale on the Synergistic Red fuses. The horn system is sounding very three dimensional today with the added SR Black wall outlet. The circuit the audio system is on has a total of 5 outlets. Now it has 2 SR Black, 2 SR RED, and one PS Audio Premier ( copper with nylon body - not as dark as an Oyaide R-1 ) Bigger sonic differences than rolling tubes - even those 300 B tubes. Any more recent news on the Elrod 300B tube situation? Off topic but put a SR Tranquility Base under the Samsung Blue - Ray player and had a marked improvement in the picture quality. No bar-b -que this Labor Day weekend but I will be listening to some great sounding music. David Pritchard |
All is quiet on the Western Front. Just an observation ... The better the system gets, the more I'm enjoying the complexity of classical orchestral music. Classical Rock too. Just finished listening to a CD that is a live feed from a Fleetwood Mac concert. Its a bootleg burned from the master tape. I don't remember where I got it, but I dug it out of the vault of CD's that I haven't played for several years. Great blues guitar and harmonica playing! I had no idea just how good this recording is. The SR tweaks have really brought it to life. Onward and upward. OP |
Mapman ... With all due respect, there's no problem with anyone "not buying into what is being sold." The problem lies with those who have a condescending superior attitude while intimating that those of us who have been in the hobby for years, in my case over 40 years, don't know what we are hearing, or that we are fools for investing money on products that "just cannot work." Until Mr. Wolfie Cotton Ears (and others) make a trip to MY home and listens to MY system, then he should just keep his trap shut. Without hearing what I have going on, or any of the other members who are enjoying the various tweaks offered by Synergistic Research for that matter, he's going against his own"scientific" principles by not having all of the facts in place to form a legitimate opinion. Until he/they have all of the facts in place, and that would most importantly include hearing first hand the systems in question, they are spouting nothing but bull pucky. I suspect that Wolfie Cotton Ears' dilemma is more about suffering from the pain of envy more than anything else. OP |
^^^ To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, the problem you have Wolfie Cotton Ears, isn't that you know too much. The problem is, you know too much that isn't true. As a technical person, its understandable that you suffer from the common affliction of many techno-boobs ... and that is analysis paralysis. You are so locked into the trees that you cannot rise above them to see the forest. Its understandable that the audio hobby attracts techno-boobs like you with functionality problems and serious social dysfunctions. If I, or others tell you that we have gained substantial benefits in our audio systems from certain tweaks, but cannot tell you why, why is it that you cannot understand that we don't give a fig why? We are romantics. We want the end results. We will leave it up to you techno-freaks to figure out why ... and also to design more and better tweaks so that we may improve our systems. For your skill set, we are willing to pay good money ... and that keeps food on your table, a roof over your head, your wife well dressed, your children in private schools and your subscriptions to technical journals current. For God's sake, Cotton Ears, if I buy a new Ferrari, do I really have to understand the function of Weber carburetors or the dwell angles of the dual overhead camshafts? I just want to go fast and enjoy the handling on challenging roads ... not to mention the sound of that lovely V-12 at full song. Try to get your technical head around that. You seem to have a real problem with salesmanship and/or those who sell for a living. I don't give a damn how good of a product you invent and/or develop from a technical standpoint, if it doesn't get to market it won't sell and your doors won't stay open. The next time you're driving on the highway, take an introspective look at all of the semi trailers loaded with goods on that same highway. Those goods are going to market, and they wouldn't be going to market without a salesman on the initial end of the transaction. Someone has to SELL to a willing buyer or the product will just sit there taking up room in your warehouse. No movement, no money. No money, no profit. No profit, no business. Without salespeople, the entire country would come to a standstill resulting in an eventual economic collapse. Look Mr. Cotton Ears, you may be great at figuring out that two plus two equals four, but try to figure out what will motivate a potential seller to buy your product ... then exercise professional sales skills that have taken you years to develop. Developed to the point that the prospect doesn't even realize that he/she has been sold. Then, once they buy, they thank you for turning them on to such a great product. That takes real people skills, my friend. Skills that you sorely lack. Why do I say you lack people skills? Its obvious. You continue coming into this thread with a jackhammer in an effort to impress everyone with your delusional "superior" knowledge. You find joy in insults, even to the point of accusing me of being on SR's payroll, and in general just pissing everyone else off. Great people skills, eh? As a person who has spent over a half a century earning a living in 100% commissioned sales (no draw and no salary), knocking on doors, making appointments, giving sales presentations and closing transactions, I can honestly say that most people wouldn't last a week in the sales business ... especially techno-freaks like you, Mr. Cotton Ears. If your biggest fear is criticism, which it most likely is, you wouldn't be able to stand the constant rejection that professional salespeople experience on an hourly basis. For us, every "no" puts us closer to a "yes." For you, the "no's" would be devastating. For us, we need to apply for a new job every day. For you, you wouldn't be able to stand the insecurity ... never realizing that you find true security when you give up the "security" you have right now. So, stay secure in your comfortable lab coat with a hot soldering iron in one hand, a tube tester in the other and a slide rule in your shirt pocket, and just keep quiet and stop telling the rest of us how much knowledge you have and what WE should think and what WE can or can not hear. Wake up ... we don't give a flying .... ####. Now then, on a brighter note, this morning's listening session consisted of more of Franz Liszt's orchestral music. Lovely what these SR fuses, SR room treatments (HFT's) and the SR level 3 power cords have brought to my audio system. Nope, I don't know how the fuses, the room treatments, or the power cords work, nor do I care. I only know that they do work. I think the next SR tweak I'll try will be the SR PHT's for my cartridge. If the promotion on these items hold true, and I have no reason to believe that it won't, it should be a major upgrade for the old Well Tempered Turntable. Perhaps Mr. Wolfie Cotton Ears would be kind enough to do the research then tell us why they work while the rest of us just sit back and just enjoy the music. Happy listening ... OP |
Wonderful music playing as I type. Shirley Rumsey playing and singing "Music of the Italian Renaissance" on Naxos. This is quiet expressive singing and solo guitar music at it's finest. The acoustics of St. Andrew's Church located in Toddington, England are beautifully captured and complement the soulful voice of Ms. Rumsey. I do hope all who read this thread will audition audio grade fuses and A/C wall outlets. They have made a major improvement in my sound systems and contributed greatly in increasing my enjoyment of the music I listen to. I do think they are worth the time and effort to audition. David Pritchard |
Mapman and Wolfie and Gorgelofi move me to sing this from the distinguished diplomat Bill Withers 'My friends feel it's their appointed duty They keep trying to tell me All you want to do is use me But my answer, yeah to all that use me stuff I want to spread the news That if it feels this good getting used You just keep on using me Until you use me up Until you use me up My brother sit me right down and he talked to me He told me that I ought not to let you just walk on me And I'm sure he meant well Yeah, but when our talk was through I said, brother, if you only knew You'd wish that you were in my shoes You just keep on using me Until you use me up Until you use me up' Feel the groove boyeees. Everybody else, hope you are enjoying your systems greatly. I am. |
Georgelofi is right, it’s a bumpfest festooned with more promotional rantings which are right out of the Vegematic sales manual (although I can reasonably assume a Vegematic works). A good financial deal for SR certainly, and the wordy reactions to my posts questioning the efficacy of overpriced silliness exposes a classic paranoia. These guys must know it’s nonsense and if it’s not, why not cough up a technical and reasoned explanation of how tiny aluminum dots "transduce" (really?) sound waves, and how fuse that is out of the signal chain can make cellos sound better? I guess I expect too much….or I know too much... |