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Talk but not walk?

Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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glupson
1,794 posts
 
theaudiotweak,

You do get a credit for admitting...

And here at Star Sound we have a published list with prices for over 60 products.. not zero, none or just 2..We have reviews and show awards on several of our designs.

We offer products that serve to enhance the sound and physical performance of select string instruments. These devices are highly considered and reviewed from players around the world.

Here at Star Sound and Tone Acoustics we test and share our science and art to benefit both the high fi system in your home as well as the live performance on stage. This becomes our mutual proving ground. It is our goal to merge the sound of the live performance venue and bring that reality into your home and studio.

The previous may sound like an ad..well we have paid for banner ads as well as posted for sale items in several different catogories going back more than a decade..Some im post ers have paid zilch over that same decade. Are they just freeloaders and users not givers? They may talk but not give. Tom
Where this above appeared was neither a banner ad, nor a posted-for-sale item. It was on the very same thread ("Talk but not walk") that Michael Green started and uses to make the world aware of his ideas. I am not his major supporter at all, but give man a break. He started a thread that gives you a free advertising ride, too.
glupson
1,794 posts
 
theaudiotweak,

Of course, if this is not the website you are related to, I was misguided and I apologize for my error.

http://starsoundtechnologies.com/

EDIT: and this one... http://toneacoustics.com/

Here, you get more advertising and this time it is on me.
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michaelgreenaudio OP
643 posts
 

Hi Uberwaltz you said

"To my knowledge Audiogon has never done anything yet about trolls or trolling of its own volition."

Yep, that's too bad. A lot of missed opportunities for Agon. If these pages were cleaned up they would get a ton more activity. The folks who have emailed me say that there are hardly any new people coming up as compared to what use to be.

Part of that has got to be the bad vibe allowed here.

Glupson

Members wouldn't pay a fee designers would. Audio Circle is setup like that. Designers pay a small fee and the designers have their own space on the forum.

MG

 

theaudiotweak
1,793 posts
 
I have never started my own self promotion thread.

The post you pasted was well written..and truthful with no bs. Tone Acoustics is of my own understanding and by design..all about the shear baby..Tom
glupson
1,794 posts
 
Michael Green,

Of course, members would not pay any fee. They would just walk away. As much as I understand there is a certain animosity between two guys and you, and would not dare to think about judging who is right in that multi-century dispute, I do notice things slid in the text. I may be the only one who mentions it although I doubt I am the only one noticing.
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