Vote for the best speakers in 10K range

Hi Telescope, so you took the plunge. Sounds like you made the right decision. Congratulations!

So....Bob,

Are you trying to say you like these beasts? :>)
Great. Just what I need - another Holy Grail to pursue!

Schubertmaniac--- couldn't agree more with you about Maggies/SLs/boxes. I've owned Maggies since mid-'70s----most recently 3.5Rs (which I still have. HP likes 3.5Rs/3.6Rs when combined with a subwoofer, but if you start adding up what it costs to bi-amp, with the extra amps, interconnects, speaker cables, subwoofer, etc., as the monkey said when he peed in the cash register: "This is gonna run into money!" And fast!)----but the SL A-3s (same as M-2s, functionally) I bought about a month ago are in a totally different class. Transparency/natural timbre are strong points, AND they've got as much accurate bass as I could ever hope for. (Caveat--I listen to classical music almost exclusively----YMMV.) I've gotta say, however, that the Maggies perhaps do image a bit better, although I'm still experimenting with speaker placement.(Unfortunately, at least IMHO, there are more compromises in speakers than in any other component, except perhaps phono cartridges, the other end of the chain. Maybe in the future there will be one speaker that does it all, but that doesn't seem to be the case at the moment.) Can't speak for the Maggie 20s----I've never heard them----but I'm extremely happy with SLs. I've heard there is a long waiting list for any of the Maggies (about the same for SLs, also!).

As for box speakers, there are without doubt some excellent ones---- I'll be the last to criticize anyone's choice---- but to be perfectly honest, the only ones I've "listened to" in some 25 years were a pair of Revels in a salon when auditioning a Sony 9000ES recently. The only demo classical SACD they had was of Glenn Gould, so I couldn't tell much about image/soundstage, etc. I guess Maggies and SLs have simply convinced me I'm a planar nut.

BTW----in my limited experience, some SL dealers will knock a bit off the retail price----seems to be discretionary. Also, beware of some of the used SLs on various classifieds. From what I've heard/read, Dr. West, the SL designer, is constantly "tweaking", so what seems to be a bargain may be otherwise, depending on year of manufacture, fixes/upgrades that have been done, etc. There have been many improvements over the years. Get serial numbers, contact the factory, and they can tell you about the history as they know it.
Jim

914nut - here are a few things you may or may not have tried that should improve the imaging of your Sound Labs:

Try them on cones. I use Walker Valid Points, stuck in their little lead hockey pucks. I have a customer who uses Blue Diamond Racing cones (the "detail" ones) on a hard tile floor with good results. When you are standing the speakers back up, having screwed on the cones, take care not to put all the weight on a single cone. Rotate the speakers to one side a bit as you stand them up so the weight is distributed.

Address the first sidewall and "frontwall" reflections. I use fake ficus trees at the first reflection points to either side of the speakers, as well as behind (and a bit to the inside of) the speakers. If your room is bright and underdamped, consider a date with Sallie.

Put a pointy piece of tape on the floor exactly in front of your listening position (pointy so you can get an exact measurement), and using a tape measure make sure you have both speakers exactly the same distance from the point. You may end up making small, 1/16th inch adjustments by ear. Roger Waters' "Amused to Death" is useful for getting this part right.

Make sure you have both speakers toed in the exact same amount. I suggest using a flashlight held to your forehead, and adjust the panels until you see exactly the same reflection in each.

If you have done everything very meticulously and the center vocalist is still a bit off-center, try gingerly using the bias controls as level controls to dial that vocalist in to dead center.

I find speaker cabling to make a significant difference in the soundstaging as well. You want a very coherent cable, one that minimizes time smear. Since the Sound Labs are inherently very coherent, timing anomalies that go unnoticed on other speakers ought to be addressed. The wide, flat Magnan Signature cables are my personal favorite. Note that David Magnan's reference system is a pair of stacked Original Quads - conceptually rather similar to the Sound Labs.

You might want to get several bags of lead shot and put them on top of the speakers. I put each bag inside two thick, dark socks, (the opening of the inner sock oriented opposite to opening of outer sock). I use number six shot. You might also want to experiment with solid lead blocks on top of the speakers. I think this would work even better.

Someone above was wondering if the Sound Lab dealer in New Orleans offers a discount. My reply:

"MUUAAAH HA HA HA HA!"

Sorry, I've been wanting to do that for a long time.

My gimmick is, if you travel to New Orleans for an audition, you stay free in a bed & breakfast I manage, and I'll reimburse up to $500 of your airfare with purchase. I offer a modest discount in addition to the airfare thing, but I'm not trying to be the internet discount king. I'm trying to be a real dealer regardless of where my customers live - my shipping crates are available to my customers, for example, and if you have a problem I'll do my best to get it resolved quickly and to your complete satisfaction. Blah, blah.

Although the topic seems to have varied a bit from the question, I will put in my vote for the best speaker in the $10K range... The winner for me is Vienna Acoustics Mahler, hands down the nicest sounding speaker I have heard in it's class.

Niels.