Why do intelligent people deny audio differences?

While i said i wasn't going to do it, here i am again. As if i could have stayed away.... : )

Rs: Your attitude on this thread is noticeably different than where we left off on the other thread that you took down the same route. After i had fully disected Audioholics / Elliott's info piece by piece for all to see, you basically ran for cover and the thread stopped shortly after that. After all, there was no reason for the thread to continue once the "major debate" had basically been resolved. That was with ALL of the bases were covered bit by bit and all of the data laid out for all to see and follow along with. I even quoted Elliott's own verbiage, word for word in some instances, that supported the conclusions that i had drawn. As such, you can't say that you didn't see those posts, etc... and that is why you were re-posting the same data, as you had responded after the fact in that other thread. What is amazing to me is that you would try to pull the same stunt all over again here in this thread.

Now with all of the info gone from that thread and me stating that i'm not going to go through all of that again, you climb back on your podium and pontificate the same message again. Is this thread doomed to take the same turn of events? Probably. It won't be my fault though as i'm really going to shut up now. Everyone that saw that other thread, and especially those that participated in it, know EXACTLY what was said, why it was said and how those conclusions were arrived at. I made sure of that because i broke it down piece by piece as best i could. Trying to say that you've "explained away my argument" in this thread AFTER the fact with all of the evidence gone is a pretty lame thing to try and pull.

As far as the original thread goes, my guess is that Agon deleted it for multiple reasons. That is, there was soooo much bickering in it AND there was technical proof that demonstrated that not all speaker cables are created equally, nor do they perform equally. This may have discouraged potential advertisers from spending their money with Audiogon i.e. seeing their name in lights, but in a negative manner. While i don't agree with such things, Audiogon is a business and it isn't my business to run. Their decisions are what keep this website operating, so that is all that counts.

I'll only add one more thing that i brought up last time. How can someone trust someone recommending a product that they themselves are not using? You keep spouting off about zip cord being as good as anything else, so why not sell what you have, make some money back on it and then use some zip cord? This would put you dollars ahead and you could then set an example for all to see. You would also have several dollars left over, allowing you to buy some more music and maybe even grab a meal or two while shopping for tunes.

At least with me, everyone knows that i put my money where my mouth is i.e. i recommend the same product that i'm using and have taken the time to explain why. And also as mentioned before, if i could find something that worked better, i would use it. The cable that i mentioned and use is not the "end-all" of speaker cable design and technology, it is simply the most well-rounded product available at a reasonable price.

Sayonara.... Take II.... Sean
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Slappy, as I said, I THINK, not sure, that it was printed in the US Scientific Journal, not sure of the name either, this is one of those things in the dark recesses of a 50+ year old brain. The quote was attributed TO the US Patent office, as if, "Hey our job is done, they ain't gonna invent ANYTHING else."

Look, even though everything has not been determined yet(maybe), there are definititely at least SOME measurable differences in some cables(resistance, capacitance, inductance, dielectric, shielding) which HAVE been PROVEN to have effects on the sound of cables. Scientifically measurable, known, and quantified.

Now, maybe some might say that this is not sufficient, and I'd be one of them, because I think that there is more to it, yet undiscovered. But, at least this data IS available, and it DOES account for some sonic differences in cables.

So the argument that there are no differences is FALSE.

Now we get to the part about "Can we hear the differences between an expensive cable and a cheap cable?" This depends upon the system and the individual listening.

In the other thread, where A/B/X testing was used, there was at least one person scoring 80%. And this was in a test with acknowledged flaws. This shows that even under duress, and poor test conditions, with short listening times, SOME PEOPLE CAN tell the differences.

I'm sorry for the ones who can't. But at least they can buy the cheap stuff and be happy.

Twl...You fell into that mistake of half-baked science! The fact that one of the auditioning group was right 80% of the time doesn't prove anything. Group statistics are all that matter in a test like this one. Someone usually wins the Lottery. Stay with your "gut feel" philosophy which I, as a scientist, can respect even if I don't always agree with your conclusions.

I really don't get it. Not only my ears but the ears of every friend that stops by my house comments about how wonderful my system sounds lately. And, it's because of new IC's and speaker cables. I don'd much care if anyone else thinks that zip cord is just as good. Let them use zip cord. I really don't care. What I do care about is having someone insult my hearing and how I spend my money. About the only thing I would agree with is that most IC's and speaker cables are way over priced and don't offer the kind of performance they hype in their marketing. There are some really good products though and are reasonably affordable. I feel sorry for the poster here that his thread has been highjacked just to bicker. Let us all get a life.