My new Idler - but is it an idler ?


Some time after my rediscovery of vinyl, I started toying with the idea of building a turntable. At the time I owned an idler (Dual 1219) and a DD (Technics SL-QL1). For me, the Dual was a small revelation (although there was The Rumble) and started me on an If... path.

Put it simply, what about designing an idler with modern materials, technologies and principles ?

Almost 3 years later - and 2 prototypes - I think I might be getting somewhere. I leave some picts and details for your "viewing pleasure".


  • Plint made from steel reinforced concrete containing all locating points
  • Subframe from Aluminium / Acrylate sandwich
  • Inverted bearing design with twin ceramic spheres as the thrust surfaces
  • Aluminium Platter with an inner acrilic ring and underside rubber matting for damping control
  • Epyciclic drive - the motor pulley directly drives the inner rim of the platter, so no real idler drive…
  • BLDC motor with electronic control and speed switching
  • Armboard made from an aluminium / corian sandwich


Externally, I used black Alcantara for finishing (no nasty fingerprints), with the sideboards made blackened mahogany. Later, (after loosing 2 stylus to an excited child…) I added a darkened acrylic cover with a tilt/slide opening.


Overall, the main drivers for the design have been speed stability, low background noise and resonance control - hence the several “sandwiches”. Speed stability is where I think some progress is still needed, but I have an upgrade coming along.

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pjrebordao
You're right, but I meant "integrated" drive systems, not add-ons.

I didn't know the Trans-fi and it's interesting. But I wonder if the drive ratio from motor to platter (very small pulley) very akin to a belt-drive, doesn't make its playing signature closer to a belt-drive, than an idler.

Yes, I agree that the larger the diameter of the idler wheel, the better.  The set-up of the Trans-fi would seem to dictate that energy from the motor can enter into the plinth, but Vic is a very smart engineer. I trust he knows more than I do about the issues.
If your Dual 1219 had any audible rumble then it needed a tune up, most likely a new idler tire. My Dual 1229 (same table with a strobe), is completely silent. Quieter the. My 301 or 927.

I appalled your DIY approach. We should all do more of this.  Be sure to let us know the final result. 

N

This is impressive.  It looks very well executed. But what does it sound like?

Well, to my ears it sounds better than both the Dual and the Technics.
The bass is noticeably better than both.

Currently, I'm using an Ortofon 2M Blue, and I had a Denon DL-160 (broken stylus now)

I would like to compare it with other TT's, but that's all I have...