Please Read and express your feelings and opinions....


I noticed  that lately or maybe for the last five yrs, there is so much arguments,name calling, attacking cables , speakers , components makers and more, more of disagreement with members, even Audio dealers are being attack here...Very few know how to apologize when they are wrong.What can we do as Audiogon members to improve our communication to each other? How to give the informations, recommendation to members who need it? This is without involving Audiogon, any opinion or ideas ,  For me this is fun and place to learn in audio...thank you all
jayctoy

Just peeking my head in the door.

kosst, it's cool man no biggie bro

I'm sure a lot of us here are studio brats, shoot I practically was born in one. We all have our thing, and yours is as important as anyone else's here. If you feel all is measurable sometime show us (or me) and we'll be happy to take a look, but don't stay up at night man. What my friends or clients feel or do is cool and what yours do is just as cool.

The OP I believe is saying "cool down cats enjoy each other". If you believe different from me it's not that big of deal. People hire me because I do what I do, but I hope it's more than that. I hope they hire me cause I dig what I do and comfortable in my skin to do a good job for them. I can't picture any of my clients sitting there wearing a mic on their head while listening, but if they do that's fine with me. They call me up while listening, tell me what they're hearing, ask me what to do, I tell them, and they go on with their fun.

this is just me, but all's good

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net

I'm finding this sound stage aspect rather interesting as you can certainly measure the recording intended output and could potentially create based average pair of microphone pickup with acoustical guides that emulate our hearing structure and use software to map the effect. But you also have an interesting decision if to either allow or cancel the room effect. Since we never listen to any speaker without the room and every speakers patterns will have notable impact on effective room response and impact to soundstage, it would only provide an idea of what the potential is and not quite how it will integrate to your room.

Some spend a bit time in placement to achieve this effect and a speakers measured pattern might work well in a room while another will fail, not entirely due its inherent ability of each but on how well it integrates to the space. Its also often a  balancing act as more than a singular factor plays a role in choice.

In ending, we could develop a measurement system that give us a chart in free space, but no speaker is really ever applied in that manner. Its certainly scientifically interesting, but the best use is really as a guide on how to best setup more than anything else. I've used a calibrated microphone and various tools as an aid, but I can tell you from moving homes and setting up all over again, every room brings its own set of unique challenges.
@david_ten 

I've been pondering the "...and Walla conflict." text and your response to it for the last four days and couldn't make heads or tails out of either or get it out of my head, for some reason. But we might have a breakthrough.

Is it possible that what was intended should have read "and, voila, conflict."? If this is, indeed, the case and you picked it up that quickly then my hat's off to you.

BTW, I'm on the northshore. Ever considered attending any BBAT meetings?
kosst_amojan"Why do I need to do the research myself to prove whats already well understood technology deplyed throughout the recording and reproduction industry?"

Of course there is no reason that you are obligated in any way to conduct such research but prior to you becoming indignant that any one should challenge you on this stated position you should accept that no one else is obligated to perform any such research either and if THEY are challenged by the faith based religious naysayers to conduct they're own test then it is only fair for them to request the same of you it is insufficient to simply proclaim as you have here that it is "already well understood" because if that was true they'res no way to explain the result so many have achieved other than to say 1000's of people are delusional which is patently absurd on the face of the claim.

Buying audio products and listening to music is not about scientific measurements, although it can help in selecting and matching components together.... It is, for me, to capture to the best that I can, what is on the recording, to " my " liking. It is as simple as that. The addition of cables, fuses, isolation devices, a new amplifier, whatever, it is about me, and only me. And I listen. Other than measuring room acoustics, which I find is necessary for me to achieve my end goal, I am open to anything, and I use my ears. Thankfully, my ears still work.