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I noticed  that lately or maybe for the last five yrs, there is so much arguments,name calling, attacking cables , speakers , components makers and more, more of disagreement with members, even Audio dealers are being attack here...Very few know how to apologize when they are wrong.What can we do as Audiogon members to improve our communication to each other? How to give the informations, recommendation to members who need it? This is without involving Audiogon, any opinion or ideas ,  For me this is fun and place to learn in audio...thank you all
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michaelgreenaudio
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Hi Soundermn

I agree, but I also think that the topic shift has turned into a nice example for the OP. For me anyways, it has certainly shown a few things. It has shown how different sides of a question can be answered and also how people react as their paygrade is established. Over the last couple of days I have thought "what a great thread to show in social studies". It would be interesting to see a class tear this apart and take side. I bet we would fine several different sides and not just two or three.

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net

kosst_amojan
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The statement Geoff made about spacial cue not being measurable is patently false and we do measure it and replicate it through all manner of trickery at the recording and play back ends. 

Where's the argument? I'm not understanding why people persist in the name calling and splitting hairs. 
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viridian
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Another perspective. I attend a fair amount of live, acoustic, concerts and IMHO none of them have the soundstage that many audio systems have.

The whole imaging and soundstaging thing is a parlor trick inside a parlor trick that was perpetrated by The Absolute Sound. All it has helped to do is to take the focus off of correct tonal balance and put it on, IMHO, what is, at best, an artifact of the recording process.
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phomchick
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The whole imaging and soundstaging thing is a parlor trick inside a parlor trick that was perpetrated by The Absolute Sound. All it has helped to do is to take the focus off of correct tonal balance and put it on, IMHO, what is, at best, an artifact of the recording process.
Now there is a post with some substance that I agree with!
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geoffkait
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kosst_amojan
The statement Geoff made about spacial cue not being measurable is patently false and we do measure it and replicate it through all manner of trickery at the recording and play back ends.

@costco_emoji - What the ding ding are you talking about? First of all, I did not make any such statement. I did not say spatial cue could not be measured. There is much more to “soundstage” than some spatial cues. Period. It’s not nice to shove words down someone’s throat.

The soundstage in all of its glory, it’s dimesionality, it’s transparency, it’s gestalt, details, it’s ...realism, etc., is right there on the recording. All that’s required is to dig it out of the grooves by hook or crook. That’s why audiophiles go to extremes, you know, tweaks and isolation, chicken bones if they would help, to extract the soundstage and *all the information* that’s “hidden” there. We don’t want you guys replicating anything. Didn’t you understand my previous comment. Stay out of the high end! We don’t want you replicating anything, faking the soundstage, removing tape hiss or compressing dynamics.
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