What's up with all those clocks


I am using a PS audio perfectwave MKII DAC and could not be happier (with the DAC that is). The last frontier for me is room correction, so I am now auditioning a Trinnov 4 channel processor in an 2.2 actively crossed-over setup.

So I go from digital source -> Trinnov digital processor -> PS audio DACs. If I decide to continue down this path, I can no longer use my PS audio bridge for network streaming of my music library, and have to move to music server with AES/EBU out to feed the Trinnov instead. The server options are a decicated box like Bryston or Sonore, or a PC/MAC with USB to AES/EBU converter.

If I keep the Trinnov and go the USB converter route, this opens a whole new world of possibilities to sink more money into my system, which is where my question comes in. For now, lets focus just on clocks.

The first clock in the chain is in the Mac/PC, the second in the converter the third in the trinnov processor, and the fourth in the DAC.

Just before the bits hit the analog board in the DAC, all jitter gets eliminated in the brilliant brand new MKII board of the PS audio dac, so you could argue, why bother spending lots of money on any clocks downstream - just let the Perfectwave clean up the digital signal. Is this the case?

If the downstream clocks don't matter argument is false (which it probably is), I can now spend an inordinate amount of money on say an offramp USB converter with upgraded clocks at the beginning of the chain. How much of a difference would this make downstream, given all the other clocking going on downstream. Could I just get a basic $200 - $500 converter, or is with worth going all out.

To add insult to injury, the Trinnov has an external clock option. What would this do for sound quality, (A) if I had a so so USB converter, and (B) if I had a SOTA USB converter?

In summary, can anyone explain how quality of clocking at various point in the chain will impact final SQ, and how I can best allocate my "clocking funds".

I can formulate a similar question for "power supplies". This hobby is borderline insanity....
edorr
The literature on the PWD MkII indicates that its NativeX Digital Lens function "Will reduce incoming jitter levels to below 1 pico second, regardless of how jittered the incoming signals are .... NativeX works on lowering jitter on any selected input on the PWD. This means even highly jittered sources such as an Apple TV or a computer sound card will suddenly have a fog of jitter removed. The feature is rather remarkable."

With that function switched in, I would therefore expect that clock jitter at points upstream (earlier in the chain) would be irrelevant. However, the fact that NativeX can be deselected is a little disconcerting, because it suggests that it may have audible side-effects. Perhaps side-effects that are similar to those that are sometimes claimed to result from ASRC (Asynchronous Sample Rate Converter) technology, which as I understand it reduces jitter by means of a calculation that is arguably imperfect.

The results of your experience using the NativeX function in conjunction with the Bridge, assuming you have been using NativeX with the Bridge, may not be indicative of the side-effects it would have when used with an input that is more jittery, given that the Bridge has its own built-in Digital Lens function that reduces jitter.

You might want to contact PS Audio and see if they can give you a better idea of the possible downsides of NativeX, when used with a jittery source. And also what degree of jitter reduction the design provides, if any, when NativeX is deselected.

If you end up choosing not to use the NativeX function, what you would want to focus on would be minimizing jitter at the interface between the Trinnov and the PWD. I'm not familiar with the Trinnov, but perhaps using its external clock option would do that, or perhaps the jitter on its output would be sufficiently low even without that option. Or you might want to consider putting a good reclocker just ahead of the input to the PWD. In either case, I wouldn't expect jitter further upstream to have any relevance.

Regards,
-- Al
"can anyone explain how quality of clocking at various point in the chain will impact final SQ, and how I can best allocate my "clocking funds"."

This depends on the mode that you use for the PWD. If you use resampling mode or NativeX mode, then it is using internal clocks, so the effect of a low-jitter input will be less, but still noticable IME. It's strickly marketing that says that all jitter is eliminated. Never happens.

I have yet to find a DAC that is not improved by a low-jitter source.

If you use Native mode, then the jitter of the source is critical. This mode feeds the D/A directly. This is where a low-jitter input can make a huge difference. Feedback from one PWD owner demonstrates that on this forum.

If the Trinnov has an external word-clock input, it means that the internal clocks are PLL controlled, which will cause higher jitter. The good news is that a reclocker can easily be inserted after the Trinnov to remove the jitter. The reclocker can drive the word-clock input on the Trinnov and synchronize it to the reclocker. This allows a free-running clock to be used in the reclocker, delivering the lowest jitter datastream.

Steve N.
Empirical Audio
In the analogue domain the slogan garbage in will make worse garbage out. Get the best sorce you can and let the chips fall where they may. But digital aint so. My opin is the last clock is the important one. OTOH Steves Offramp I2S seems like a bridge / PWS killer